Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
Carl_VivaEspana said:
The left hates the working class. The hate the white working class even more and if you are a white working class man, well, you are bottom of the barrel.
I would assume that additional social media clout points were awarded to this twitter poster as a result.
Nationalism is like caffeine, only a small shot of it is optimal but once its ejected from government policy, it gives parties like Reform too much oxygen.
That's an interesting theory. Last week's real world test of it saw Reform UK Ltd, gain 2 out of about 2700 councillors on offer. So that interesting theory becomes one I'm intensely relaxed about filing in the bin with nary a backward glance.I would assume that additional social media clout points were awarded to this twitter poster as a result.
Nationalism is like caffeine, only a small shot of it is optimal but once its ejected from government policy, it gives parties like Reform too much oxygen.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
CivicDuties said:
The left hates the working class. The hate the white working class even more and if you are a white working class man, well, you are bottom of the barrel.I would assume that additional social media clout points were awarded to this twitter poster as a result.
Nationalism is like caffeine, only a small shot of it is optimal but once its ejected from government policy, it gives parties like Reform too much oxygen.
That cartoon is lampooning the continued fawning over reform as if they are a big player in British politics, when in fact they've achieved nothing so far other than split the Tory vote. I'm sure they'll still continue to garner media attention.
tangerine_sedge said:
That cartoon is lampooning the continued fawning over reform as if they are a big player in British politics, when in fact they've achieved nothing so far other than split the Tory vote. I'm sure they'll still continue to garner media attention.
I'm not even sure they've acheved that. I've said a few times that the inaccuracies of polls cut both ways and the amount of support Reform have may be overstated. Not sure if both Reform councilors will agree though.
President Merkin said:
I suspect you're making that up but can't be arsed to look for data, which is your obligation anyway but nevertheless:
Pan Pan Pan said:
It has already been found that Khans ULEZ, has had virtually no effect on air quality in London.
is nonsense from a man with a long record of posting nonsense & anyway, what has any of this to do with Reform UK (Ltd)?I suspect you believe all the nonsense that you post is just fine. For an ignorant, arrogant self important person like you, this is normal.
I posted links to credible academic sources. You posted:
For an ignorant, arrogant self important person like you, this is normal.
Face it PPP, you just don't have the chops to play nice with the grown ups, it's all flying off the handle. Have you ever thought about taking the dog for a walk? Yoga? Green tea? The little book of calm?
Pan Pan Pan said:
For an ignorant, arrogant self important person like you, this is normal.
Face it PPP, you just don't have the chops to play nice with the grown ups, it's all flying off the handle. Have you ever thought about taking the dog for a walk? Yoga? Green tea? The little book of calm?
Carl_VivaEspana said:
CivicDuties said:
The left hates the working class. The hate the white working class even more and if you are a white working class man, well, you are bottom of the barrel.I would assume that additional social media clout points were awarded to this twitter poster as a result.
Nationalism is like caffeine, only a small shot of it is optimal but once its ejected from government policy, it gives parties like Reform too much oxygen.
ks.Natalie Elphicke's views would seem to be a natural fit with Reform so a surprise that she didn't go there... but then she has an issue with those who are “a byword for incompetence and division”, so maybe not that much of a surprise.
If Reform can't even get rabid anti immigration members of the ERG who want to defect, what hope is there for them?
If Reform can't even get rabid anti immigration members of the ERG who want to defect, what hope is there for them?
CraigyMc said:
Wow, that's some seriously unhinged bks.
I sort of get what the drive is (ignoring the "hate the working class bit") if nationalism is given no space in the mainstream it becomes the asset, and an asset of some allure and political utility, of less mainstream players. ks.But I'm not sure that nationalism operates like that; there isn't a limited amount or a single "strength" of nationalism - and mainstream parties do "do" nationalism. It's more that some people would like poteen-grade nationalism and the mainstream will only ever serve beer (a drink-based analogy that makes sense), there'll always be political space, to some extent, for entities like Reform.
President Merkin said:
That's an interesting theory. Last week's real world test of it saw Reform UK Ltd, gain 2 out of about 2700 councillors on offer. So that interesting theory becomes one I'm intensely relaxed about filing in the bin with nary a backward glance.
They didn't put up candidates in most wards.AmyRichardson said:
there'll always be political space, to some extent, for entities like Reform.
Of course but the UK had eliminated it to a fringe festival scene attended by a small number of people of numerous tattoos and questionable decisions around piercings, now its 13-17% of the vote.Hence, the topic question remains the pertinent one, creeping nationalism is a symptom, the cause is the abandonment of the centre ground. Anyone who wants to return to the centre is labelled as far-right and the applause is reserved for 'right on' policies championed by the likes of Polly Toynbee who, thinks 'working class' is a progressive rock band.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
AmyRichardson said:
there'll always be political space, to some extent, for entities like Reform.
Of course but the UK had eliminated it to a fringe festival scene attended by a small number of people of numerous tattoos and questionable decisions around piercings, now its 13-17% of the vote.Hence, the topic question remains the pertinent one, creeping nationalism is a symptom, the cause is the abandonment of the centre ground. Anyone who wants to return to the centre is labelled as far-right and the applause is reserved for 'right on' policies championed by the likes of Polly Toynbee who, thinks 'working class' is a progressive rock band.
MC Bodge said:
Carl_VivaEspana said:
AmyRichardson said:
there'll always be political space, to some extent, for entities like Reform.
Of course but the UK had eliminated it to a fringe festival scene attended by a small number of people of numerous tattoos and questionable decisions around piercings, now its 13-17% of the vote.Hence, the topic question remains the pertinent one, creeping nationalism is a symptom, the cause is the abandonment of the centre ground. Anyone who wants to return to the centre is labelled as far-right and the applause is reserved for 'right on' policies championed by the likes of Polly Toynbee who, thinks 'working class' is a progressive rock band.
kwits. Now it's a larger percentage of the vote.Creeping nationalism is a problem. Apparently it's other people's fault including Polly Toynbee for the rise of nationalism.
Guessing abandoning of the centre ground is a stupid way of saying abandonment of the white race or some s
t like that.I'm struggling to understand too. But that's the way I read it.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
The left hates the working class. The hate the white working class even more and if you are a white working class man, well, you are bottom of the barrel.
I would assume that additional social media clout points were awarded to this twitter poster as a result.
Nationalism is like caffeine, only a small shot of it is optimal but once its ejected from government policy, it gives parties like Reform too much oxygen.
Leaving this here for posterity.I would assume that additional social media clout points were awarded to this twitter poster as a result.
Nationalism is like caffeine, only a small shot of it is optimal but once its ejected from government policy, it gives parties like Reform too much oxygen.
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