Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

[Janluke]

A.J.M said:

Making a bill for assisted dying is something the Scottish government would 100% screw up.

Canadas one is a total stshow.
We don’t need that scale of a disaster here.

It’s a controversial topic though.
I can see why some would support it, given how some illnesses can rob you of your body and mind, it’s easy to see why some would rather not put themselves and their family through it.

Like the legalisation of drugs its something that could work if handled properly but I wouldn't trust any British political party with either of these issues least of all the SNP/Green government

[Klippie]

irc said:

Heard a debate on Radio Scotland today on the proposed assisted dying bill. One caller was spot on. He said he had mixed views on the subject but as it was Holyrood legislating he would have to be a no. Thereafter he listed the failed bills. DRS. Gender. Football offensive. Named person. All relatively trivial matters that Holyrood got wrong.

The presenter said "but this has cross party support". To which the caller said "so did the gender bill".

Good point well made. And unlike the gender bill we can't rely on the UK govt bailing us out.

I haven't looked at the proposed bill but a questionable factor is only a 12 month residence qualification. Would that encourage death tourism? In contrast you need to live here 3 years before getting free tuition.

I am undecided on the subject. The devil will be in the details and as that caller said "Holyrood doesn't do details".

A Speccy article on it also.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-would-trus...

Edited by irc on Thursday 28th March 21:09

For the while I worked in a hospital I saw every day people who would have taken this option if it was available, it was heartbeaking to see how these poor souls were living, they had no life apart from staring at hospital walls day after day waiting to die.

One old lad I was speaking to was so fed-up living because he physically couldn't do anything but wanted to do so much if I'd handed him a gun he would have shot himself...Christ it was awful to hear.

Yes bring it on but it needs to be properly policed, I wouldn't trust Hollyrood with a subject as serious as this.

[irc]

cuprabob said:

Who would have thought it, 4 Turkish ferries on schedule and budget.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24219469.turkish...

Read the comments. It's Westminster s fault. Getting blamed for the Calmac, CMAL, Transport Scotland setup. The SNP have had 17 years to arrange how ferries are procured.

Also blaming delays on bespoke complicated design. Chosen by and authorized by the SNP. Also suggest the management must be Rangers supporters.

There are some delusional people out there.

[Klippie]

There's your face painted SNP supporter for you right there, the SNP can do no wrong in their eyes.

Edited by Klippie on Friday 29th March 10:14

[biggbn]

Janluke said:

A.J.M said:

Making a bill for assisted dying is something the Scottish government would 100% screw up.

Canadas one is a total stshow.
We don’t need that scale of a disaster here.

It’s a controversial topic though.
I can see why some would support it, given how some illnesses can rob you of your body and mind, it’s easy to see why some would rather not put themselves and their family through it.

Like the legalisation of drugs its something that could work if handled properly but I wouldn't trust any British political party with either of these issues least of all the SNP/Green government

Bang on. Our political 'class' is unfit for purpose and would collectively struggle to walk and chew gum without falling over

[Viper201]

Just what the fk is happening in Scotland? Born and bred just up the road from Aboyne, I'm embarrassed to read that the Primary school has hit the headlines this morning following the taking of school photos. It seems the photography company took two sets. One is the full class but the other is one without the special needs kids.

Is this the inclusive vision of Scotland? I used to go along to Donaldson's School in Edinburgh (not all the kids were deaf as many could not communicate) to play chess with disabled kids.

I'd like a word with the photographer.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/education/sch...

[irc]

Viper201 said:

Just what the fk is happening in Scotland? Born and bred just up the road from Aboyne, I'm embarrassed to read that the Primary school has hit the headlines this morning following the taking of school photos. It seems the photography company took two sets. One is the full class but the other is one without the special needs kids.

Is this the inclusive vision of Scotland? I used to go along to Donaldson's School in Edinburgh (not all the kids were deaf as many could not communicate) to play chess with disabled kids.

I'd like a word with the photographer.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/education/sch...

Saw that on the TV news last night. Gobsmacked is putting it mildly. The nother of one of the kids concerned was a lot more calm than I would have been.

[shtu]

irc said:

cuprabob said:

Who would have thought it, 4 Turkish ferries on schedule and budget.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24219469.turkish...

Read the comments. It's Westminster s fault. Getting blamed for the Calmac, CMAL, Transport Scotland setup. The SNP have had 17 years to arrange how ferries are procured.

Also blaming delays on bespoke complicated design. Chosen by and authorized by the SNP. Also suggest the management must be Rangers supporters.

There are some delusional people out there.

That's quite a craftily-constructed article.

-Positive sounding headline.
-Picture of the not-at-all on time or budget ferries immediately below.
-Couple of positive paragraphs about ferries being on time and budget.
-A bit in the middle about the Fergusons ones
-A closer with how everything is going so well with ferries.

Almost like they were trying really hard to construct a positive story about ferries and SNP.

[General Price]

irc said:

Viper201 said:

Just what the fk is happening in Scotland? Born and bred just up the road from Aboyne, I'm embarrassed to read that the Primary school has hit the headlines this morning following the taking of school photos. It seems the photography company took two sets. One is the full class but the other is one without the special needs kids.

Is this the inclusive vision of Scotland? I used to go along to Donaldson's School in Edinburgh (not all the kids were deaf as many could not communicate) to play chess with disabled kids.

I'd like a word with the photographer.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/education/sch...

Saw that on the TV news last night. Gobsmacked is putting it mildly. The nother of one of the kids concerned was a lot more calm than I would have been.

I wonder what the parents of the little one who is in a
wheelchair thought,even worse the child when they were told to wheel themselves out of shot

I would say,the mind boggles but very little boggles the mind in Scotland anymore.

[CallThatMusic]

General Price said:

irc said:

Viper201 said:

Just what the fk is happening in Scotland? Born and bred just up the road from Aboyne, I'm embarrassed to read that the Primary school has hit the headlines this morning following the taking of school photos. It seems the photography company took two sets. One is the full class but the other is one without the special needs kids.

Is this the inclusive vision of Scotland? I used to go along to Donaldson's School in Edinburgh (not all the kids were deaf as many could not communicate) to play chess with disabled kids.

I'd like a word with the photographer.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/education/sch...

Saw that on the TV news last night. Gobsmacked is putting it mildly. The nother of one of the kids concerned was a lot more calm than I would have been.

I wonder what the parents of the little one who is in a
wheelchair thought,even worse the child when they were told to wheel themselves out of shot

I would say,the mind boggles but very little boggles the mind in Scotland anymore.

Whoever thought this was an acceptable idea needs to be in a disciplinary hearing soonest.
Unfkingbelievable

[NoddyonNitrous]

CallThatMusic said:

General Price said:

irc said:

Viper201 said:

Just what the fk is happening in Scotland? Born and bred just up the road from Aboyne, I'm embarrassed to read that the Primary school has hit the headlines this morning following the taking of school photos. It seems the photography company took two sets. One is the full class but the other is one without the special needs kids.

Is this the inclusive vision of Scotland? I used to go along to Donaldson's School in Edinburgh (not all the kids were deaf as many could not communicate) to play chess with disabled kids.

I'd like a word with the photographer.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/education/sch...

Saw that on the TV news last night. Gobsmacked is putting it mildly. The nother of one of the kids concerned was a lot more calm than I would have been.

I wonder what the parents of the little one who is in a
wheelchair thought,even worse the child when they were told to wheel themselves out of shot

I would say,the mind boggles but very little boggles the mind in Scotland anymore.

Whoever thought this was an acceptable idea needs to be in a disciplinary hearing soonest.
Unfkingbelievable

Qualifies as a hate crime?

[CharlesdeGaulle]

CallThatMusic said:

Whoever thought this was an acceptable idea needs to be in a disciplinary hearing soonest.
Unfkingbelievable

Agreed, but that's human error. A fairly grotesque one certainly, but you can't really blame the government for that one.

ETA - Not that you were, but some of the other comments seemed to see it as typical of the country today.

[biggbn]

Viper201 said:

Just what the fk is happening in Scotland? Born and bred just up the road from Aboyne, I'm embarrassed to read that the Primary school has hit the headlines this morning following the taking of school photos. It seems the photography company took two sets. One is the full class but the other is one without the special needs kids.

Is this the inclusive vision of Scotland? I used to go along to Donaldson's School in Edinburgh (not all the kids were deaf as many could not communicate) to play chess with disabled kids.

I'd like a word with the photographer.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/education/sch...

Hardly a Scottish government issue, is it? Absolute fkwittery of the first order by a photographer who, one would hope, will be in receipt of a p45 very sharply...

[Rick_1138]

See they're going ahead with trying to trial run jury less trials for rape cases in Scotland.

Just fking no.

[hidetheelephants]

Rick_1138 said:

See they're going ahead with trying to trial run jury less trials for rape cases in Scotland.

Just fking no.

AIUI only if the accused agrees? So only if the accused has a head that zips up the back.

[irc]

They are also abolishing the not proven verdict. Supposed to be balanced by changing the required majority from a current 8-7 to a new 8-4. Going from 15 member juries to 12 member juries.

Seems fair. It is actually a bit worrying that currently you can get a life sentence when 7 out of 15 jurors thought you were innocent.

Naturally campaigners want the not proven verdict gone but not the change in majority.

The result according to a legal bod on Radio Scotland would be innocent people being jailed.

The low conviction rate for rape is due to the circumstances of the crime not failings in the legal system.

" Where was anybody to contest that the issue in rape prosecutions was not that 50% of all those accused of rape were acquitted but rather that 50% of people innocent of rape had been prosecuted at all?"

http://ianssmart.blogspot.com/2023/05/institutiona...

Edited by irc on Friday 29th March 20:31

[dxg]

NoddyonNitrous said:

CallThatMusic said:

General Price said:

irc said:

Viper201 said:

Just what the fk is happening in Scotland? Born and bred just up the road from Aboyne, I'm embarrassed to read that the Primary school has hit the headlines this morning following the taking of school photos. It seems the photography company took two sets. One is the full class but the other is one without the special needs kids.

Is this the inclusive vision of Scotland? I used to go along to Donaldson's School in Edinburgh (not all the kids were deaf as many could not communicate) to play chess with disabled kids.

I'd like a word with the photographer.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/education/sch...

Saw that on the TV news last night. Gobsmacked is putting it mildly. The nother of one of the kids concerned was a lot more calm than I would have been.

I wonder what the parents of the little one who is in a
wheelchair thought,even worse the child when they were told to wheel themselves out of shot

I would say,the mind boggles but very little boggles the mind in Scotland anymore.

Whoever thought this was an acceptable idea needs to be in a disciplinary hearing soonest.
Unfkingbelievable

Qualifies as a hate crime?

You know, it actually could.

The mother was clearly distraught, and disability is a protected characteristic.

[Viper201]

irc said:

They are also abolishing the not proven verdict. Supposed to be balanced by changing the required majority from a current 8-7 to a new 8-4. Going from 15 member juries to 12 member juries.

Almost like England's (10-2 majority) but easier to convict with an 8-4 majority. Like the idea of abolishing the Not Proven verdict and reducing the jury to 12 though.

[johnnyreggae]

Janluke said:

I think the whole system will just implode, April 1st the police will be inundated with complaints along with a massive number of people requesting if they listed against any non crime hate incidents

Can anyone guide me to a definition of territorial limits in this Act ? Does the complainant, the 'perp' or the medium of transmission have to have a connection to Scotland ?

So could a foreign national complain to the Scottish Police about a Tweet about another foreign national posted by another foreign national but visible in Scotland ?

[Mercdriver]

Why is mathieson still an MSP, surely the public can vote him out with the same legislation that got rid of the Covid infected train travelling idiot.

He has obviously decided to milk the system for every penny