Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

[Ridgemont]

Master Of Puppets said:

Another interesting HC article.....

https://capx.co/humza-yousaf-doesnt-understand-his...

Stand out line:

article said:

How long will it be before there is a protracted and expensive cause célèbre, for example if a famous person is prosecuted for misgendering a trans woman? Will that benefit or damage the standing of the law?

We can see the future now.

Hundreds if not thousands reported for a HC incident.
Dozens probably prosecuted and potentially jailed because fighting this will be expensive unless the Free speech mob step in.
JK Rowling pulls her big girl pants on and intentionally and probably wilfully breached the HCA
Police forced to act.
Stupidly expensive legal case because the Scotgov has to defend the legislation
Eventually going to appeal at the Supreme Court UK where it is made clear the legislation breaches multiple clauses of the Human Rights Act with respect to freedom of speech.

What an utter waste of time leading to broken lives, outrage and in the end a bonfire/binfire of the SNPs making several years down the track…

And the reputation of law and the police in tatters.

Madness.

Edited by Ridgemont on Wednesday 27th March 19:47

[Klippie]

People seem to forget the SNP does not care about anything or anyone in Scotland, they have been having a great time for the last 17 years living The Life of Riley at our expense, the last thing they want to do is help us they HATE us, we are tolerated up to a point and now they have introduced this hate crime law to double up that the people can no longer say or do anything against the SNP.

Personally I think they are in for one hell of a shock as this just might push the people too far and a massive rebellion will take place.

Wouldn't it be great if we all stormed Hollyrood and kicked them all out...using their own new law against them there's not much they could do about it.

[Ridgemont]

Klippie said:

People seem to forget the SNP does not care about anything or anyone in Scotland, they have been having a great time for the last 17 years living The Life of Riley at our expense, the last thing they want to do is help us they HATE us, we are tolerated up to a point and now they have introduced this hate crime law to double up that the people can no longer say or do anything against the SNP.

Personally I think they are in for one hell of a shock as this just might push the people too far and a massive rebellion will take place.

Wouldn't it be great if we all stormed Hollyrood and kicked them all out...using their own new law against them there's not much they could do about it.

Calm down Trump!

[emicen]

Klippie said:

People seem to forget the SNP does not care about anything or anyone in Scotland, they have been having a great time for the last 17 years living The Life of Riley at our expense, the last thing they want to do is help us they HATE us, we are tolerated up to a point and now they have introduced this hate crime law to double up that the people can no longer say or do anything against the SNP.

Personally I think they are in for one hell of a shock as this just might push the people too far and a massive rebellion will take place.

Wouldn't it be great if we all stormed Hollyrood and kicked them all out...using their own new law against them there's not much they could do about it.

Doubtful. In a similar vein to why there aren’t huge counter marches against independence, we all have better st to do, like work and other endeavours to better our lives without needing it handed to us.

[General Price]

I have a mate who knows how to sail so we are going down to Greenock and borrowing the half finished ferry.We are going to row it to Turkey and have a couple of weeks in Antalya by which time it should be ready to sail back and get to work.

I should be in charge of Fergusons.

[Newc]

Ridgemont said:

JK Rowling pulls her big girl pants on and intentionally and probably wilfully breached the HCA
Police forced to act.
Stupidly expensive legal case because the Scotgov has to defend the legislation
Eventually going to appeal at the Supreme Court UK where it is made clear the legislation breaches multiple clauses of the Human Rights Act with respect to freedom of speech.

It'll be faster than that. Rowling has made it clear that she will be out NCHI'ing on the 1st. They will have to take action, because if they don't it will undermine every other case afterwards.

She will then splash the cash to get it through the system to the SC as fast as possible. Which will go exactly as you describe.

[gruffalo]

Whistle blower suspended for showing the press the hospital in which he worked?

If this is the case then it is truly deplorable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68668234

[Janluke]

Newc said:

Ridgemont said:

JK Rowling pulls her big girl pants on and intentionally and probably wilfully breached the HCA
Police forced to act.
Stupidly expensive legal case because the Scotgov has to defend the legislation
Eventually going to appeal at the Supreme Court UK where it is made clear the legislation breaches multiple clauses of the Human Rights Act with respect to freedom of speech.

It'll be faster than that. Rowling has made it clear that she will be out NCHI'ing on the 1st. They will have to take action, because if they don't it will undermine every other case afterwards.

She will then splash the cash to get it through the system to the SC as fast as possible. Which will go exactly as you describe.

I think the whole system will just implode, April 1st the police will be inundated with complaints along with a massive number of people requesting if they listed against any non crime hate incidents

[Essarell]

gruffalo said:

Whistle blower suspended for showing the press the hospital in which he worked?

If this is the case then it is truly deplorable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68668234

Disgusting,i felt physically sick reading that article. Devolution has failed, Scotland is woke & broke.

Organisations are being weaponised to become part of the Indy bandwagon and poor children like Eva are having their lives ruined.

Shame on Scotland,shame on the clown house Devolved assembly and shame on that charlatan Tony Blair for setting the whole st show in motion.

[Roderick Spode]

Essarell said:

gruffalo said:

Whistle blower suspended for showing the press the hospital in which he worked?

If this is the case then it is truly deplorable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68668234

Disgusting,i felt physically sick reading that article. Devolution has failed, Scotland is woke & broke.

Organisations are being weaponised to become part of the Indy bandwagon and poor children like Eva are having their lives ruined.

Shame on Scotland,shame on the clown house Devolved assembly and shame on that charlatan Tony Blair for setting the whole st show in motion.

This surgeon has been speaking out for over a year regarding staff shortages leading to delayed or cancelled operations. I wonder if he's been increasingly vocal and public in his criticism of the powers that be, and they have decided to suspend him from his position, with the threat of sacking if he continues to speak out. Plenty of opportunities and demand in the private sector for skilled surgeons, but maybe it's a point of principle and morality for the gent in question. All speculation of course, given the SNHS refuse to tell anyone what's going on.

Scottish Health has endured a long line of laughably incompetent Health Ministers, who have all somehow floated to the top of the pile - Sturgeon, Yousless, Dimwit Robison. I despair.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64825618

[sherman]

General Price said:

I have a mate who knows how to sail so we are going down to Greenock and borrowing the half finished ferry.We are going to row it to Turkey and have a couple of weeks in Antalya by which time it should be ready to sail back and get to work.

I should be in charge of Fergusons.

If at the start of the Ferguson ferry fiasco, we just paid every Fergusons worker £300,000 and told them to stay away, gave Fergusons £80 million for their biscuit tin, then ordered 2 Ferries from Turkey for £80 million, we would have saved £ 50 million.

[irc]

Heard a debate on Radio Scotland today on the proposed assisted dying bill. One caller was spot on. He said he had mixed views on the subject but as it was Holyrood legislating he would have to be a no. Thereafter he listed the failed bills. DRS. Gender. Football offensive. Named person. All relatively trivial matters that Holyrood got wrong.

The presenter said "but this has cross party support". To which the caller said "so did the gender bill".

Good point well made. And unlike the gender bill we can't rely on the UK govt bailing us out.

I haven't looked at the proposed bill but a questionable factor is only a 12 month residence qualification. Would that encourage death tourism? In contrast you need to live here 3 years before getting free tuition.

I am undecided on the subject. The devil will be in the details and as that caller said "Holyrood doesn't do details".

A Speccy article on it also.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-would-trus...

Edited by irc on Thursday 28th March 21:09

[hidetheelephants]

I'm not opposed in principle, but it's Holyrood so they're bound to have missed something and the scope creep assisted dying has had in the Netherlands and Canada give pause; I don't have any time for the idea mentally ill people should ever be eligible.

[Ridgemont]

irc said:

Heard a debate on Radio Scotland today on the proposed assisted dying bill. One caller was spot on. He said he had mixed views on the subject but as it was Holyrood legislating he would have to be a no. Thereafter he listed the failed bills. DRS. Gender. Football offensive. Named person. All relatively trivial matters that Holyrood got wrong.

The presenter said "but this has cross party support". To which the caller said "so did the gender bill".

Good point well made. And unlike the gender bill we can't rely on the UK govt bailing us out.

I haven't looked at the proposed bill but a questionable factor is only a 12 month residence qualification. Would that encourage death tourism? In contrast you need to live here 3 years before getting free tuition.

I am undecided on the subject. The devil will be in the details and as that caller said "Holyrood doesn't do details".

A Speccy article on it also.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-would-trus...

Edited by irc on Thursday 28th March 21:09

A much longer article that delves into the moral quandaries.

No. No. No.

Canada is in an almighty mess about this.
A law intended for those suffering from debilitating illness has now evolved through scope creep to the position where euthanasia is now being discussed for children with degenerative disorders.

And you hope the clown show in Holyrood could possibly manage the various intricacies?

No. No. No.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/...

[Ridgemont]

Hard to express how this possible measure fills me with horror.

[A.J.M]

Making a bill for assisted dying is something the Scottish government would 100% screw up.

Canadas one is a total stshow.
We don’t need that scale of a disaster here.

It’s a controversial topic though.
I can see why some would support it, given how some illnesses can rob you of your body and mind, it’s easy to see why some would rather not put themselves and their family through it.

[Ian974]

I can understand and for certain cases would 100% support it.

However the Scottish government can turn something as mundane as a phone bill into a political disaster. There is no question that they don't have the competency to even begin considering legislating for this.

[shtu]

Ian974 said:

I can understand and for certain cases would 100% support it.

However the Scottish government can turn something as mundane as a phone bill into a political disaster. There is no question that they don't have the competency to even begin considering legislating for this.

That's pretty much my view too - look what a complete horse's arse they made of recycling cans and bottles, which should have been about as simple as legislation can get.

(About the only saving grace so far is that it's being proposed by a Lib Dem MSP, so the level of swivel-eyed lunacy should be relatively low at this stage.)

[Klippie]

Ridgemont said:

Calm down Trump!

Hahaha..!!!

[cuprabob]

Who would have thought it, 4 Turkish ferries on schedule and budget.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24219469.turkish...