Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12
Discussion
johnnyreggae said:
Can anyone guide me to a definition of territorial limits in this Act ? Does the complainant, the 'perp' or the medium of transmission have to have a connection to Scotland ?
So could a foreign national complain to the Scottish Police about a Tweet about another foreign national posted by another foreign national but visible in Scotland ?
Yes. So could a foreign national complain to the Scottish Police about a Tweet about another foreign national posted by another foreign national but visible in Scotland ?
There is no territorial limt. Scottish courts have ruled that any tweet etc read in Scotland is deemed to be published in Scotland. So anyone, anywhere in the world can break these laws.
In practice, it will be tricky extraditing someone from say the USA for saying that a transwoman is not a woman etc.
Unlike us the USA has pretty good free speech laws.
The rest of the UK - easy. Scottish courts just need o issue a warrant and the police will arrest you anywhere in the UK and bring you to Scotland to face justice (of a sort).
Hence Wings Over Scotland being taken down until legal advice obtained.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-eve-of-war/
As pointed out on Wings you can report hate crimes anonymously online. Easy peasy.
https://www.scotland.police.uk/secureforms/c3/
Edited by irc on Saturday 30th March 12:16
Mercdriver said:
Why is mathieson still an MSP, surely the public can vote him out with the same legislation that got rid of the Covid infected train travelling idiot.
Exactly no, because the devolution settlement and the Scotland Act did not put in place a recall procedure for Holyrood.Westminster implemented one in 2015, hence Margaret Ferrier getting the boot.
Alister Jack has said that he's ready to start negotiation with the Scottish Government regarding introducing this valuable tool of democracy that the rest of the UK enjoys to Scotland!
johnnyreggae said:
So could a foreign national complain to the Scottish Police about a Tweet about another foreign national posted by another foreign national but visible in Scotland ?
Bizarrely, yes!SNP ScotGov has drafted a string of appalling legislation, but this one takes the cake for over-reach to the point of being impossible to implement without exhausting the already over-stretched resources of Police Scotland, meaning selective implementation will need to occur leading to a complete discrediting of the legislation.
Our lurker Edinburger took his usual 'something must be done' approach to this when it was just a Bill, citing again the generality of the good intentions rather than the specificity of the language of the law that was being proposed.
The unintended consequences of this law (because of yet another failure to draft it in the context of pre-existing provisions and legislation) will make the ridiculousness of the The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act (repealed) - where something could either be or not be an offence depending on whether you were travelling to or from a football match - look positively credible.
Edited by Evercross on Saturday 30th March 12:30
Evercross said:
Exactly no, because the devolution settlement and the Scotland Act did not put in place a recall procedure for Holyrood.
Westminster implemented one in 2015, hence Margaret Ferrier getting the boot.
Alister Jack has said that he's ready to start negotiation with the Scottish Government regarding introducing this valuable tool of democracy that the rest of the UK enjoys to Scotland!
Ah, that explains it forgot she was an MP not a MSP, thanks evercrossWestminster implemented one in 2015, hence Margaret Ferrier getting the boot.
Alister Jack has said that he's ready to start negotiation with the Scottish Government regarding introducing this valuable tool of democracy that the rest of the UK enjoys to Scotland!
Mercdriver said:
Why is mathieson still an MSP, surely the public can vote him out with the same legislation that got rid of the Covid infected train travelling idiot.
He has obviously decided to milk the system for every penny
No, because we have kinder, gentler politics the SNP decided we didn't need a recall act. Although it wouldn't apply to Mathieson as ScotPlod haven't investigated datagate, never mind got a conviction.He has obviously decided to milk the system for every penny
hidetheelephants said:
No, because we have kinder, gentler politics the SNP decided we didn't need a recall act. Although it wouldn't apply to Mathieson as ScotPlod haven't investigated datagate, never mind got a conviction.
Surely it wouldn't apply to Mathieson because he is a "man of integrity"?
I watched an interesting BBC Scotland Disclosure documentary about a guy from Inverness who after being charged with rape fled to the USA and faked his death. Dead Man Running. Recommended.
While there I happened to see another episode about Sturgeons resignation. Gave me a few laughs anyway. Especially the start where they say how highly everyone rates her.
Disclosure, The Resignation of Nicola Sturgeon: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001jpds via @bbciplayer
While there I happened to see another episode about Sturgeons resignation. Gave me a few laughs anyway. Especially the start where they say how highly everyone rates her.
Disclosure, The Resignation of Nicola Sturgeon: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001jpds via @bbciplayer
Breaking news: 'South Lanarkshire Council call for a ceasefire in Gaza'
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/lanarks...
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/lanarks...
Olivera said:
Breaking news: 'South Lanarkshire Council call for a ceasefire in Gaza'
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/lanarks...
At last! Problem solved.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/lanarks...
Olivera said:
Breaking news: 'South Lanarkshire Council call for a ceasefire in Gaza'
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/lanarks...
I'm happy for the people of Hamilton that they have it so good their council can spend time on foreign affairs.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/lanarks...
technodup said:
Olivera said:
Breaking news: 'South Lanarkshire Council call for a ceasefire in Gaza'
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/lanarks...
I'm happy for the people of Hamilton that they have it so good their council can spend time on foreign affairs.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/lanarks...
Must be great to have dealt with all the pot holes in the metropolis of Wishy, cleaned up all the litter and dogs
t and still have time left over for performative bullst like this.Edited by hidetheelephants on Saturday 30th March 20:42
Ecosseven said:
tim0409 said:
Scotland is becoming an international laughing stock under the SNP / Green Government. The legal profession in this country must read this and cringe. How much more bad legislation can this government pass?!What an April Fools s
tshow.article said:
The Winston Smith of this modern-day Orwellian saga is the author JK Rowling, who has incensed the radical trans lobby by repeatedly insisting men cannot be women.
Former prosecutor Rajan Barot has advised her to delete her posts on Twitter which, he says, “most likely contravene the new law”, to which Rowling has defiantly replied: “If you genuinely imagine I’d delete posts calling a man a man, so as not to be prosecuted under this ludicrous law, stand by for the mother of all April Fools’ jokes.”
https://archive.is/20240330111042/https://www.tele...Former prosecutor Rajan Barot has advised her to delete her posts on Twitter which, he says, “most likely contravene the new law”, to which Rowling has defiantly replied: “If you genuinely imagine I’d delete posts calling a man a man, so as not to be prosecuted under this ludicrous law, stand by for the mother of all April Fools’ jokes.”
What an utter f
king clown show.Edited by Ridgemont on Saturday 30th March 20:37
I have to say I’ve never been so angry politically about a proposed change.
Utterly bizarre how this ever got into law. Suddenly makes a second revising chamber seem like an extraordinarily good idea.
Nevertheless we are where we are.
Sweepstake on how long this nonsense will stand up before it all falls apart?
Utterly bizarre how this ever got into law. Suddenly makes a second revising chamber seem like an extraordinarily good idea.
Nevertheless we are where we are.
Sweepstake on how long this nonsense will stand up before it all falls apart?
hidetheelephants said:
technodup said:
Olivera said:
Breaking news: 'South Lanarkshire Council call for a ceasefire in Gaza'
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/lanarks...
I'm happy for the people of Hamilton that they have it so good their council can spend time on foreign affairs.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-your-area/lanarks...
Must be great to have dealt with all the pot holes in the metropolis of Wishy, cleaned all the litter and dogst and still have time left over for performative bullst like this.So, in theory, if I read a twitter a/c from a Hamas follower in Gaza or alternatively an Israeli activist in Israel, who had an online hateful rant about the other this spat between two people thousands of miles away becomes a Scottish hate crime because it was published in Scotland.
The crime rate is about to rocket.
The crime rate is about to rocket.
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