Birmingham Transport Plan, remove parking spaces
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oyster said:
Electro1980 said:
gt_12345 said:
JagLover said:
It is more of an attitude that private freedom is an evil that should be curtailed.
The Left do not like people having control.If not, what is this nonsense about curtailing freedom.
People need to stop having these fantasies about public transport, cycling and walking and face reality.
Oliver Hardy said:
Because it is different in other countries,
People need to stop having these fantasies about public transport, cycling and walking and face reality.
Which is that if someone has spare money they are inclined to use it to avoid sitting in third party urine, hanging out next to tramps, pedalling a machine in the rain or even wearing out one's shoes prematurely. People need to stop having these fantasies about public transport, cycling and walking and face reality.
It is indeed the grand delusion that people want to return to serfdom. A delusion so simply shattered just by taking a moment to look at developing economies and how all humans gravitate to the luxury of the car the instant they have the fiscal means to escape their previous peasant lifestyle of toil. And to also see how that adoption of the car further develops the wealth and social mobility of the population.
That is not to say that we should not strive to improve public transport to maximise its tremendous benefits or curtail the excessive and detrimental use of the car. But rather to accept that both are very important, both should strive towards efficiency and that the correct balance will categorically be different in every single conurbation due to such simple factors such as topography, geology, climate and existing infrastructure etc.
Those that argue for the extremes at either end are not just the same type of person but the same toxic minds that once set sail on the Mayflower because normal people where they originally wanted to enforce their extremist views told them to p
s off. Or the same intolerant loons who drive around in pick-ups trying to oppress whole swathes of their local population. heebeegeetee said:
Oliver Hardy said:
1. Since when do children play outside, not for the last 20 years or so
2. It could be retail or commercial but if no one can get to them,
3. Go to most city centres and see how dead they are most of the time,
1. Not since cars started to be kept on the streets, I reckon.2. It could be retail or commercial but if no one can get to them,
3. Go to most city centres and see how dead they are most of the time,
2. There is the the belief, I accept, that in the UK that nowhere is accessible unless accessible by car.
3. In UK yes, from what I'm seeing travelling a bit around Europe, not at all the same. amongst other places I was amazed by the lovely independent shops and stores on a trip to Sofia, Bulgaria a while back, and last year we spent a week in Chartres France. What a lovely, lovely town centre, mostly pedestrianised of course, and with a thriving retail sector full of shops and stores that you simply don't see in the UK anymore. Not a charity shop in sight.
Plenty of housing around the town, I guess it could be described a s a 15 min city, something that we are being repeatedly told is terrible, for some reason.
2. For a great many people, this is not a belieif, it's true. Outside of towns, buses are either infrequent or non-existent. A car is a necessity and once you've invested in one, it's logical you want to make the best use of your investment. Public transport gets very expensive if you need to transport a family any great distance - we regularly visit Birmingham as a family from North Yorks (we have friends there who we meet for the weekend in the centre), even with £23 a night parking (Mailbox) the car is more than 50% cheaper than taking the train.
3. This shouldn't need pointing out but we are not living in France or Bulgaria. And of course you have no idea what infrastructure is in place, nor the problems the residents have in a place you visit as a tourist.
As an aside, we went to Birmingham on Saturday as a family, we met up with friends from Sutton Coldfield and stayed in the city centre - when we went home on Sunday morning, it took us 2.5 hours in the car. Our friends took the train and only got home 30 minutes before we did as there were delays and a cancellation - all hail the 15 minute city
Edited by EmBe on Wednesday 24th January 14:07
heebeegeetee said:
Oliver Hardy said:
1. Since when do children play outside, not for the last 20 years or so
2. It could be retail or commercial but if no one can get to them,
3. Go to most city centres and see how dead they are most of the time,
1. Not since cars started to be kept on the streets, I reckon.2. It could be retail or commercial but if no one can get to them,
3. Go to most city centres and see how dead they are most of the time,
2. There is the the belief, I accept, that in the UK that nowhere is accessible unless accessible by car.
3. In UK yes, from what I'm seeing travelling a bit around Europe, not at all the same. amongst other places I was amazed by the lovely independent shops and stores on a trip to Sofia, Bulgaria a while back, and last year we spent a week in Chartres France. What a lovely, lovely town centre, mostly pedestrianised of course, and with a thriving retail sector full of shops and stores that you simply don't see in the UK anymore. Not a charity shop in sight.
Plenty of housing around the town, I guess it could be described a s a 15 min city, something that we are being repeatedly told is terrible, for some reason.
Guess it be the 1930s then? many/most residential streets are fairly quiet and traffic free.
Yet car ownership per head is greater in France then in the UK and cover more mileage. There are plenty of nice city centres in the UK too, been to York recently, lovely town,
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Wednesday 24th January 14:19
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