Suella Braverman: ‘Islamists are in charge’

[Countdown]

IanH755 said:

Countdown said:

Out of interest who is the "Grand Imam of Sunni islam"?

It's a nice trap you've laid out for me there

After being a Sunni Muslim for 50+ years you should already know that there isn't a single religious "leader" in Sunni Islam (no Caliph), but the two most revered and could be considered for the role are Sheikh Abdulaziz bin Abdullah Al Al-Sheikh, the current Grand Mufti of Mecca or Ahmed Mohamed Ahmed El-Tayeb the current Grand Imam of al-Azhar - either of which could fill the role quite happily.

I'd also add that, as a practising Muslim, I'm surprised that you don't capitalise the i in Islam to give it the respect the religion is due, but you do you I suppose, there's nothing that specifically states you must, just a personal thing for me being respectful I guess

That was the point I was trying to make. There isn’t a single voice. In fact it’s likely that each Muslim country has several Imams who would consider THEMSELVES to be “The One Single Source of Truth”. There’s a power game that happens at the end of Ramadan each year where Imams in the same town will declare Eid in different days just as a power “flex”. My point is that when they can’t even agree what date the Muslim version of Xmas should be on it’s nigh on impossible that they’re ALL going to simultaneously declare Jihad on the “West”.

I’m not sure why capitalising the “I” necessarily gives the word more “respect” but I’ll look into it- every day’s a school day.

[Kermit power]

Olivera said:

Kermit power said:

The Blair government took us into a war in Iraq which is estimated to have killed anything from 150,000 to 1,000,000 Muslim civilians on a sexed up complete and utter lie!

The Iraq war was a horrible folly, but it's well known that most casualties were a result of what effectively was a sectarian civil war.

From the IBC project, percentage of casualties by perpetrator:

IBC said:

74% unidentified perpetrator: defined as "those who target civilians (i.e., no identifiable military target is present), while appearing indistinguishable from civilians: for example, a suicide bomber disguised as a civilian in a market. Unknown (i.e., unidentified) perpetrators in Iraq include sectarian combatants and Anti-Coalition combatants who maintain a civilian appearance while targeting civilians."

11% anti-coalition forces: defined as "un-uniformed combatants identified by attacks on coalition targets" during the event. Anti-Coalition combatants in the event of targeting purely civilians would instead be classed under the "unidentified perpetrator" category.

12% coalition forces: identified by uniforms or use of air attacks.

I never said that Western forces killed all those people.

That doesn't change the fact that they died after Bush and Blair fabricated a casus belli to trigger regime change.