Angela Rayner to face investigation?

[captain_cynic]

98elise said:

captain_cynic said:

President Merkin said:

Don't often rate Parris but he's spot on here. Every word amplified by some of the worst people on these pages.

https://twitter.com/ahmerwadee/status/178056907371...

They really are terrified of her.

What is there to be terrified about?

I certainly dislike her politics, and her personally, but why would that be terrifying?

She's not terrifying to those with half a brain.

She's terrifying to the Tories and their rusted ons because shes competent and normal people can relate to her. Also she has a nasty habit of pointing out the things that Tories have done wrong.

[heebeegeetee]

captain_cynic said:

98elise said:

captain_cynic said:

President Merkin said:

Don't often rate Parris but he's spot on here. Every word amplified by some of the worst people on these pages.

https://twitter.com/ahmerwadee/status/178056907371...

They really are terrified of her.

What is there to be terrified about?

I certainly dislike her politics, and her personally, but why would that be terrifying?

She's not terrifying to those with half a brain.

She's terrifying to the Tories and their rusted ons because shes competent and normal people can relate to her. Also she has a nasty habit of pointing out the things that Tories have done wrong.

All that plus misogyny and class condescension of course.

[sugerbear]

Dont worry, there is a breaking news story on a conservative MP who "borrowed" £14,000 of his campaign funds for "stuff".

I bet this thread dies a death now.

[bennno]

captain_cynic said:

She's not terrifying to those with half a brain.

She's terrifying to the Tories and their rusted ons because shes competent and normal people can relate to her. Also she has a nasty habit of pointing out the things that Tories have done wrong.

[matchmaker]

sugerbear said:

Dont worry, there is a breaking news story on a conservative MP who "borrowed" £14,000 of his campaign funds for "stuff".

I bet this thread dies a death now.

As if...

[98elise]

captain_cynic said:

98elise said:

captain_cynic said:

President Merkin said:

Don't often rate Parris but he's spot on here. Every word amplified by some of the worst people on these pages.

https://twitter.com/ahmerwadee/status/178056907371...

They really are terrified of her.

What is there to be terrified about?

I certainly dislike her politics, and her personally, but why would that be terrifying?

She's not terrifying to those with half a brain.

She's terrifying to the Tories and their rusted ons because shes competent and normal people can relate to her. Also she has a nasty habit of pointing out the things that Tories have done wrong.

Competent?

I'm still not seeing how she is terrifying. She comes across as stupid and devisive, and classes half the electorate as scum. I would class myself as normal and don't relate to her at all.

Her brand of politics and class war was rejected by the country at the last election, and the only reason she has her current position is Starmer can't get rid of her.

[chrispmartha]

98elise said:

captain_cynic said:

98elise said:

captain_cynic said:

President Merkin said:

Don't often rate Parris but he's spot on here. Every word amplified by some of the worst people on these pages.

https://twitter.com/ahmerwadee/status/178056907371...

They really are terrified of her.

What is there to be terrified about?

I certainly dislike her politics, and her personally, but why would that be terrifying?

She's not terrifying to those with half a brain.

She's terrifying to the Tories and their rusted ons because shes competent and normal people can relate to her. Also she has a nasty habit of pointing out the things that Tories have done wrong.

Competent?

I'm still not seeing how she is terrifying. She comes across as stupid and devisive, and classes half the electorate as scum. I would class myself as normal and don't relate to her at all.

Her brand of politics and class war was rejected by the country at the last election, and the only reason she has her current position is Starmer can't get rid of her.

Half the electorate?

She was referring to the Party.

[Wombat3]

chrispmartha said:

Half the electorate?

She was referring to the Party.

As if it needs pointing out that the greater part of half the electorate voted for said party (and therefore associated themselves with it) at the last election...

Would you like another hair to split?

[98elise]

chrispmartha said:

98elise said:

captain_cynic said:

98elise said:

captain_cynic said:

President Merkin said:

Don't often rate Parris but he's spot on here. Every word amplified by some of the worst people on these pages.

https://twitter.com/ahmerwadee/status/178056907371...

They really are terrified of her.

What is there to be terrified about?

I certainly dislike her politics, and her personally, but why would that be terrifying?

She's not terrifying to those with half a brain.

She's terrifying to the Tories and their rusted ons because shes competent and normal people can relate to her. Also she has a nasty habit of pointing out the things that Tories have done wrong.

Competent?

I'm still not seeing how she is terrifying. She comes across as stupid and devisive, and classes half the electorate as scum. I would class myself as normal and don't relate to her at all.

Her brand of politics and class war was rejected by the country at the last election, and the only reason she has her current position is Starmer can't get rid of her.

Half the electorate?

She was referring to the Party.

Why just the party? Surely if you vote Tory you have the same values and beliefs?

[Wombat3]

matchmaker said:

sugerbear said:

Dont worry, there is a breaking news story on a conservative MP who "borrowed" £14,000 of his campaign funds for "stuff".

I bet this thread dies a death now.

As if...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68841840

If he's done that it'd be fairly straightforward theft/embezzlement for which go to jail and do not pass go. (and much "tt").-

[dbdb]

98elise said:

Why just the party? Surely if you vote Tory you have the same values and beliefs?

It's much wider than the party it's anyone who shares their overall values. It's the same crass rabble rousing targeted at the fully tribal which the SNP indulge in.

I don't think people fear Rayner in herself they fear what she represents: the brand of Labour which was rejected under Corbyn - and fear Starmer's 'reasonable' Labour party becoming a Trojan horse for it. Whether this is reasonable or not time will tell. The VAT on schools plays into this fear and will cost them votes. I won't be voting Labour because of that.

[President Merkin]

Months & months of opinion polling suggest otherwise. Besides, it's obvious what Captain Cynic meant. The 'They' refers to the parliamentary Consrvative party who clearly find Rayner a formidable presence at the despatch box. Hence the concerted campaign orchestrated by a millionaire non dom, a newspaper owned by a millionaire non dom & a bunch of Eton & Oxbridge chinless wonders to bring her down.

[chemistry]

dbdb said:

...they fear what she represents: the brand of Labour which was rejected under Corbyn - and fear Starmer's 'reasonable' Labour party becoming a Trojan horse for it. Whether this is reasonable or not time will tell. The VAT on schools plays into this fear and will cost them votes. I won't be voting Labour because of that.

Same here.

Can't vote for the Tories, but can't trust (parts of) Labour not to swing hard left.

My hope is a Labour government with a small majority, to keep the loonier elements in check. Sadly I think there's zero chance that will happen - it's going to be a big majority - but I won't be casting my vote for Labour as that's all I can do to try to limit the damage Rayner and her ilk will wreak.

[valiant]

Lots of people saying they won't vote Labour who'd never vote Labour in a million years anyway...

[EddieSteadyGo]

dbdb said:

It's much wider than the party it's anyone who shares their overall values. It's the same crass rabble rousing targeted at the fully tribal which the SNP indulge in.

I don't think people fear Rayner in herself they fear what she represents: the brand of Labour which was rejected under Corbyn - and fear Starmer's 'reasonable' Labour party becoming a Trojan horse for it. Whether this is reasonable or not time will tell. The VAT on schools plays into this fear and will cost them votes. I won't be voting Labour because of that.

Like you I fear all the things they want to do to 'punish' people who are striving, like as you say VAT on school fees, or the threatened increase in capital gains rates, or the reintroduction of the pension LTA (for everyone other than doctors+civil servants) etc

[chemistry]

valiant said:

Lots of people saying they won't vote Labour who'd never vote Labour in a million years anyway...

True.

But there's also lots of people who'd vote for a 'Blair' Labour but couldn't stomach a 'Corbyn' Labour.

I personally know plenty of people who occupy that centre to left of centre political space. Nice middle class lifestyles, university educated, etc. Could/have, at various points, voted (Blair) Labour, Lib Dem or (Cameron) Conservative.

Starmer's Labour would seem to fit the bill in 2024, but things like the proposed VAT on school fees have set alarm bells ringing for them. They won't vote for the current Tories but if they get a whiff of Corbyn/Momentum-type voices breaking through it won't take much for then to opt to just not vote instead.

[dbdb]

valiant said:

Lots of people saying they won't vote Labour who'd never vote Labour in a million years anyway...

I voted for Tony Blair. I won't be voting for Keir Starmer though for the reasons above.

[AstonZagato]

valiant said:

Lots of people saying they won't vote Labour who'd never vote Labour in a million years anyway...

But that's the thing. Labour will win a landslide because the Red Wall will be back without Brexit to drive them elsewhere (nothing to do with Angela) and disaffected Tories staying away. It is the election after that which SKS will need to win - and Angela's brand of divisive politics is not an asset.

I know a number of lifelong conservatives who voted for Blair and were proud to proclaim it. They were part of 'Cool Britannia'. I can't see them voting for SKS's and Angela's Labour.

[Mr Penguin]

I think a lot of people are quite fearful of the outer extremes of each party coming to power after an election given both parties have elected nutters in the last few years.

[sugerbear]

Wombat3 said:

matchmaker said:

sugerbear said:

Dont worry, there is a breaking news story on a conservative MP who "borrowed" £14,000 of his campaign funds for "stuff".

I bet this thread dies a death now.

As if...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68841840

If he's done that it'd be fairly straightforward theft/embezzlement for which go to jail and do not pass go. (and much "tt").-

"The Times also reports Mr Menzies used a total of £14,000 - in several payments stretching back four years - from campaign funds to pay his personal medical bills."

Can you explain how this isn't .. A) theft and B) Tax evasion. As I am pretty sure he wont have paid a penny of tax or NI on those payments.