Angela Rayner to face investigation?
Discussion
don'tbesilly said:
They should leave the poor woman alone. It's bordering on persecution now.
Rufus Stone said:
don'tbesilly said:
They should leave the poor woman alone. It's bordering on persecution now.From the Daily Telefrother
"Police are looking again at claims Angela Rayner broke electoral law over the sale of her house." - I thought this was about CGT? Did she vote twice or something??
"Greater Manchester Police are looking again at the case after the Conservatives complained claims had not properly been investigated" - quite worrying that the conservatives are now pushing the police to investigate their political rivals.
"The issue revolves around the amount of tax Ms Rayner should have paid when she sold her home in Stockport, Greater Manchester, in 2015." - Hold on I htough ti was around electoral law??
"Earlier this month, Manchester police said Ms Rayner would not face an investigation. But Mr Daly complained that officers had not contacted witnesses or looked at relevant documents." - Manchester Police not giving the conservatives the answer they want, hence needs to be re-investigated.
Massive waste of time from the conservatives for a non-story
"Police are looking again at claims Angela Rayner broke electoral law over the sale of her house." - I thought this was about CGT? Did she vote twice or something??
"Greater Manchester Police are looking again at the case after the Conservatives complained claims had not properly been investigated" - quite worrying that the conservatives are now pushing the police to investigate their political rivals.
"The issue revolves around the amount of tax Ms Rayner should have paid when she sold her home in Stockport, Greater Manchester, in 2015." - Hold on I htough ti was around electoral law??
"Earlier this month, Manchester police said Ms Rayner would not face an investigation. But Mr Daly complained that officers had not contacted witnesses or looked at relevant documents." - Manchester Police not giving the conservatives the answer they want, hence needs to be re-investigated.
Massive waste of time from the conservatives for a non-story
sugerbear said:
From the Daily Telefrother
"Police are looking again at claims Angela Rayner broke electoral law over the sale of her house." - I thought this was about CGT? Did she vote twice or something??
"Greater Manchester Police are looking again at the case after the Conservatives complained claims had not properly been investigated" - quite worrying that the conservatives are now pushing the police to investigate their political rivals.
"The issue revolves around the amount of tax Ms Rayner should have paid when she sold her home in Stockport, Greater Manchester, in 2015." - Hold on I htough ti was around electoral law??
"Earlier this month, Manchester police said Ms Rayner would not face an investigation. But Mr Daly complained that officers had not contacted witnesses or looked at relevant documents." - Manchester Police not giving the conservatives the answer they want, hence needs to be re-investigated.
Massive waste of time from the conservatives for a non-story
Sort of yes as we are talking small amount of tax. However if she made false claims given her potential as second in command of the UK than casual dishonesty is an issue just like with Boris we need to hold them to standards they set us in law."Police are looking again at claims Angela Rayner broke electoral law over the sale of her house." - I thought this was about CGT? Did she vote twice or something??
"Greater Manchester Police are looking again at the case after the Conservatives complained claims had not properly been investigated" - quite worrying that the conservatives are now pushing the police to investigate their political rivals.
"The issue revolves around the amount of tax Ms Rayner should have paid when she sold her home in Stockport, Greater Manchester, in 2015." - Hold on I htough ti was around electoral law??
"Earlier this month, Manchester police said Ms Rayner would not face an investigation. But Mr Daly complained that officers had not contacted witnesses or looked at relevant documents." - Manchester Police not giving the conservatives the answer they want, hence needs to be re-investigated.
Massive waste of time from the conservatives for a non-story
sugerbear said:
From the Daily Telefrother
"Police are looking again at claims Angela Rayner broke electoral law over the sale of her house." - I thought this was about CGT? Did she vote twice or something??
There's two separate things - where she was registered for the electoral roll (a police issue, and which they previously said they would not investigate) and CGT (mostly an HMRC issue, we don't know if they are investigating)."Police are looking again at claims Angela Rayner broke electoral law over the sale of her house." - I thought this was about CGT? Did she vote twice or something??
Gecko1978 said:
sugerbear said:
From the Daily Telefrother
"Police are looking again at claims Angela Rayner broke electoral law over the sale of her house." - I thought this was about CGT? Did she vote twice or something??
"Greater Manchester Police are looking again at the case after the Conservatives complained claims had not properly been investigated" - quite worrying that the conservatives are now pushing the police to investigate their political rivals.
"The issue revolves around the amount of tax Ms Rayner should have paid when she sold her home in Stockport, Greater Manchester, in 2015." - Hold on I htough ti was around electoral law??
"Earlier this month, Manchester police said Ms Rayner would not face an investigation. But Mr Daly complained that officers had not contacted witnesses or looked at relevant documents." - Manchester Police not giving the conservatives the answer they want, hence needs to be re-investigated.
Massive waste of time from the conservatives for a non-story
Sort of yes as we are talking small amount of tax. However if she made false claims given her potential as second in command of the UK than casual dishonesty is an issue just like with Boris we need to hold them to standards they set us in law."Police are looking again at claims Angela Rayner broke electoral law over the sale of her house." - I thought this was about CGT? Did she vote twice or something??
"Greater Manchester Police are looking again at the case after the Conservatives complained claims had not properly been investigated" - quite worrying that the conservatives are now pushing the police to investigate their political rivals.
"The issue revolves around the amount of tax Ms Rayner should have paid when she sold her home in Stockport, Greater Manchester, in 2015." - Hold on I htough ti was around electoral law??
"Earlier this month, Manchester police said Ms Rayner would not face an investigation. But Mr Daly complained that officers had not contacted witnesses or looked at relevant documents." - Manchester Police not giving the conservatives the answer they want, hence needs to be re-investigated.
Massive waste of time from the conservatives for a non-story
As an example - husband and wife own two houses, Husband owns one and is on the the electoral register/Wife owns the other and is on the electoral register and both pay council tax with a 25% discount. Husband decides to spend 95% of his time at the wife's house. Is that something that the police should be investigating?
Gecko1978 said:
Sort of yes as we are talking small amount of tax. However if she made false claims given her potential as second in command of the UK than casual dishonesty is an issue just like with Boris we need to hold them to standards they set us in law.
You can get up to 7 years in prison for putting the wrong address on your nomination form, so the law says it's far more serious than the tax thingy and far more serious than the Boris/Rishi FPN thing. Presumably because we hold our MPs to a very high standard.This issue for Rayner is presumably that either the CGT thing was done wrong, or the nomination form was. It's not really a surprise that someone has pointed out that the Police haven't investigated the second aspect adequately because there is irrefutable evidence in the public domain that shows where Rayner lived when her son was born and it is not consistent with the story to date.
sugerbear said:
But the issue is that she is alleged to have dodged CGT. That is for HMRC to investigate not the police.
As an example - husband and wife own two houses, Husband owns one and is on the the electoral register/Wife owns the other and is on the electoral register and both pay council tax with a 25% discount. Husband decides to spend 95% of his time at the wife's house. Is that something that the police should be investigating?
You even posted the reason for the second police investigation yourself and you still don’t get it.As an example - husband and wife own two houses, Husband owns one and is on the the electoral register/Wife owns the other and is on the electoral register and both pay council tax with a 25% discount. Husband decides to spend 95% of his time at the wife's house. Is that something that the police should be investigating?
Gecko1978 said:
Sort of yes as we are talking small amount of tax. However if she made false claims given her potential as second in command of the UK than casual dishonesty is an issue just like with Boris we need to hold them to standards they set us in law.
wouldn't she just be better to pretend she lived in Pakistan for years to avoid all this uk tax hassle; worked fine for Javid.Investigation needs to be done and out of the way.. Delay just feeds the trolls. BJ would probably have faired better if he had been straight rather than obfuscated.
If she is found to have misled HMRC then she should consider her position, if its a mistake then pay whats due and apologise without delay
If she is found to have misled HMRC then she should consider her position, if its a mistake then pay whats due and apologise without delay
119 said:
sugerbear said:
But the issue is that she is alleged to have dodged CGT. That is for HMRC to investigate not the police.
As an example - husband and wife own two houses, Husband owns one and is on the the electoral register/Wife owns the other and is on the electoral register and both pay council tax with a 25% discount. Husband decides to spend 95% of his time at the wife's house. Is that something that the police should be investigating?
You even posted the reason for the second police investigation yourself and you still don’t get it.As an example - husband and wife own two houses, Husband owns one and is on the the electoral register/Wife owns the other and is on the electoral register and both pay council tax with a 25% discount. Husband decides to spend 95% of his time at the wife's house. Is that something that the police should be investigating?
This (single residence thing) was put to Rayner in her interview, she completely sidestepped the issue, did not answer the point & just said she had done nothing wrong.
Edited by Wombat3 on Wednesday 27th March 16:22
Rufus Stone said:
Hammersia said:
The labour party certainly has, not been on the front bench for seven weeks now.
Not true.No sitting 14th or today, leaves 21st, 28th, 6th, 13th, 20th she hasn't been at PMQs.
So seven calendar weeks, 5 sitting weeks to be pedantic.
blueg33 said:
If she is found to have misled HMRC then she should consider her position, if its a mistake then pay whats due and apologise without delay
I don't think she has the option of just apologising anymore. She's had 6 weeks to figure this out & get advice. If it now comes out that she was telling porkies during that interview then her credibility is done (and probably her with it).
Rufus Stone said:
Hammersia said:
Specifically sitting next to Starmer at PMQs, last time was 7th February.
No sitting 14th or today, leaves 21st, 28th, 6th, 13th, 20th she hasn't been at PMQs.
So seven calendar weeks, 5 sitting weeks to be pedantic.
She was at the Budget. Hunt made a dig at her.No sitting 14th or today, leaves 21st, 28th, 6th, 13th, 20th she hasn't been at PMQs.
So seven calendar weeks, 5 sitting weeks to be pedantic.
paulrockliffe said:
You can get up to 7 years in prison for putting the wrong address on your nomination form, so the law says it's far more serious than the tax thingy and far more serious than the Boris/Rishi FPN thing. Presumably because we hold our MPs to a very high standard.
This issue for Rayner is presumably that either the CGT thing was done wrong, or the nomination form was. It's not really a surprise that someone has pointed out that the Police haven't investigated the second aspect adequately because there is irrefutable evidence in the public domain that shows where Rayner lived when her son was born and it is not consistent with the story to date.
Providing false information is a summary only offence, maximum penalty is 51 weeks in prison, a level 5 fine or both under the representation of the people act This issue for Rayner is presumably that either the CGT thing was done wrong, or the nomination form was. It's not really a surprise that someone has pointed out that the Police haven't investigated the second aspect adequately because there is irrefutable evidence in the public domain that shows where Rayner lived when her son was born and it is not consistent with the story to date.
Hammersia said:
Rufus Stone said:
Hammersia said:
Specifically sitting next to Starmer at PMQs, last time was 7th February.
No sitting 14th or today, leaves 21st, 28th, 6th, 13th, 20th she hasn't been at PMQs.
So seven calendar weeks, 5 sitting weeks to be pedantic.
She was at the Budget. Hunt made a dig at her.No sitting 14th or today, leaves 21st, 28th, 6th, 13th, 20th she hasn't been at PMQs.
So seven calendar weeks, 5 sitting weeks to be pedantic.
So she basically wanted to have her cake and eat it.
Claim primary residence in one place for electoral purposes, and claim it elsewhere for CGT purposes
People who say this is persecution of political rivals are being over melodramatic.
This is simply investigation of people in power who are breaking laws.
Plenty of MPs / lords of each party have been investigated - the trick is not to play fast and loose with rules in the first place.
Edit - this was all covered in the Nolan principals of standards in public life. They aren't just sound bites - they need to be followed.
Claim primary residence in one place for electoral purposes, and claim it elsewhere for CGT purposes
People who say this is persecution of political rivals are being over melodramatic.
This is simply investigation of people in power who are breaking laws.
Plenty of MPs / lords of each party have been investigated - the trick is not to play fast and loose with rules in the first place.
Edit - this was all covered in the Nolan principals of standards in public life. They aren't just sound bites - they need to be followed.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff