Angela Rayner to face investigation?

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deadslow said:

Wombat3 said:

Not exactly.

"Levelling up Secretary Michael Gove said while he was personally sure Ms Rayner "has done nothing wrong", there was a "big question over what happened with Angela Rayner's homes".

"The only way that Angela Rayner can resolve ongoing questions is to publish her legal advice and tax details and put an end to the speculation," he said.

"Unless and until she does she will be dogged by this speculation and questions.

"It's in her interest, Labour's interests and country's interest that she levels and answers the really serious questions that have been put to her."

they're trying to keep it going, but when you're up to your neck in sleaze, corruption and graft it just looks a bit like

Does sleaze get official investigations normally?

[President Merkin]

Wombat3 said:

Its not about what she did at the time. Most people (me included) would forgive her for not knowing the rules - at the time.

Quite clearly she will now know what the rules were & so its now about the obvious deflection, obfuscation and failure to give a straight answer to simple questions she's been engaged in for the last 6 weeks.

If she had "awkward" living arrangements through necessity she could have made huge (political) capital out of this. Instead of which she's flapped around and failed to shut it down. Recent examples suggest that when politicians do that they invariably have something to hide.

That is a lot of words to say I suspect something,

[deadslow]

119 said:

Does sleaze get official investigations normally?

yerp, Standards Commissioner

[Wombat3]

President Merkin said:

Wombat3 said:

Its not about what she did at the time. Most people (me included) would forgive her for not knowing the rules - at the time.

Quite clearly she will now know what the rules were & so its now about the obvious deflection, obfuscation and failure to give a straight answer to simple questions she's been engaged in for the last 6 weeks.

If she had "awkward" living arrangements through necessity she could have made huge (political) capital out of this. Instead of which she's flapped around and failed to shut it down. Recent examples suggest that when politicians do that they invariably have something to hide.

That is a lot of words to say I suspect something,

There's a lot of walking & quacking going on.

This thread is very funny though. The spectacle of those that have spent many months (if not years) slagging off any Tory in sight & demanding investigations left, right and centre now protesting that there is "Nothing to see here" is beyond funny.

[blueg33]

Wombat3 said:

There's a lot of walking & quacking going on.

This thread is very funny though. The spectacle of those that have spent many months (if not years) slagging off any Tory in sight & demanding investigations left, right and centre now protesting that there is "Nothing to see here" is beyond funny.

You are right, but not as funny as seeing the tory diehards getting all frothy over it. Its currygate all over again. They were adamant that Starmer was as bad as BJ, but investigation showed us what we all knew - the tory cabinet are proven corrupt liars

[Wombat3]

blueg33 said:

Wombat3 said:

There's a lot of walking & quacking going on.

This thread is very funny though. The spectacle of those that have spent many months (if not years) slagging off any Tory in sight & demanding investigations left, right and centre now protesting that there is "Nothing to see here" is beyond funny.

You are right, but not as funny as seeing the tory diehards getting all frothy over it. Its currygate all over again. They were adamant that Starmer was as bad as BJ, but investigation showed us what we all knew - the tory cabinet are proven corrupt liars

It'll all shake itself out in due course.

[philv]

She could show the tax advice, etc, make the media look silly.
She could come out of this very well.

But, wont't.
Shes the one prolonging this.

[bitchstewie]

blueg33 said:

Wombat3 said:

There's a lot of walking & quacking going on.

This thread is very funny though. The spectacle of those that have spent many months (if not years) slagging off any Tory in sight & demanding investigations left, right and centre now protesting that there is "Nothing to see here" is beyond funny.

You are right, but not as funny as seeing the tory diehards getting all frothy over it. Its currygate all over again. They were adamant that Starmer was as bad as BJ, but investigation showed us what we all knew - the tory cabinet are proven corrupt liars

Quite.

Years defending behaviour as crooked as scoliosis and all of a sudden this is a hanging offence.

Let the authorities deal with it but do me a favour and don't pretend to have suddenly found some standards.

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bhstewie said:

blueg33 said:

Wombat3 said:

There's a lot of walking & quacking going on.

This thread is very funny though. The spectacle of those that have spent many months (if not years) slagging off any Tory in sight & demanding investigations left, right and centre now protesting that there is "Nothing to see here" is beyond funny.

You are right, but not as funny as seeing the tory diehards getting all frothy over it. Its currygate all over again. They were adamant that Starmer was as bad as BJ, but investigation showed us what we all knew - the tory cabinet are proven corrupt liars

Quite.

Years defending behaviour as crooked as scoliosis and all of a sudden this is a hanging offence.

Let the authorities deal with it but do me a favour and don't pretend to have suddenly found some standards.

Tell me why you think it's ok for her to demand tax records of Tory MPs but not for her to offer hers?

Why do you think she is trying to avoid the issue?

There are a number of ways she could settle this once and for all, but for some reason refuses to.

Why do you think that is?

[bitchstewie]

119 said:

Tell me why you think it's ok for her to demand tax records of Tory MPs but not for her to offer hers?

Why do you think she is trying to avoid the issue?

There are a number of ways she could settle this once and for all, but for some reason refuses to.

Why do you think that is?

Pointing out many of you never said a word throughout four years of utterly bent behaviour and now you're losing your st over this isn't defending her behaviour.

If she's demanded others release their tax records but now she won't then that looks hypocritical.

But like I said spare me the wailing.

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bhstewie said:

Pointing out many of you never said a word throughout four years of utterly bent behaviour and now you're losing your st over this isn't defending her behaviour.

If she's demanded others release their tax records but now she won't then that looks hypocritical.

But like I said spare me the wailing.

Not wailing at all but then it’s not surprising you aren’t capable of answering some basic questions.

You are getting good at it.

[julian987R]

119 said:

bhstewie said:

Pointing out many of you never said a word throughout four years of utterly bent behaviour and now you're losing your st over this isn't defending her behaviour.

If she's demanded others release their tax records but now she won't then that looks hypocritical.

But like I said spare me the wailing.

Not wailing at all but then it’s not surprising you aren’t capable of answering some basic questions.

You are getting good at it.

So is Ange

[bitchstewie]

Maybe she considers her personal finances and living arrangements before she was any sort of public figure to be a private matter.

She's been clear she'll co-operate with the Police and I've been clear if they find anything let them deal with it.

[Vanden Saab]

bhstewie said:

Pointing out many of you never said a word throughout four years of utterly bent behaviour and now you're losing your st over this isn't defending her behaviour.

If she's demanded others release their tax records but now she won't then that looks hypocritical.

But like I said spare me the wailing.

If...

[bitchstewie]

Fair enough so it's hypocritical.

Maybe you'll be right about this one after how wrong you were when you got utterly rinsed over Starmer's curry.

Who knows

[Wombat3]

bhstewie said:

Maybe she considers her personal finances and living arrangements before she was any sort of public figure to be a private matter.

That's the deflection.

The issue is whether she's telling porkies now to try & cover it up.

[EddieSteadyGo]

bhstewie said:

Fair enough so it's hypocritical.
...

Rayner shouldn't have to accept people picking over her private life, commenting on her personal and family living arrangements. It's not any of our business. If HMRC think something is wrong, they have the power and capacity to investigate, as they do anybody else. If she has done something wrong, she can take responsibility for it then. The suggestion she should publish her personal tax returns is just a tactic, hoping people draw a negative inference about her "guilt" when she rightly refuses.

At the same time, she is also a hypocritic. Because Rayner has done exactly the same to "the other side". But that was considered to be fair game, probably because "they" are "scum", in her words.

The fact that we (the public) let our politics become degraded in this way, directly affects the quality of people who are prepared to put their name forward and stand for election. So we get mostly second rate people who either want to be "famous", or who are narcissistic, or who from a very young age see this as their career.

[Deesee]

Wombat3 said:

Deesee said:

lol Gove has come out in support..

Not exactly.

"Levelling up Secretary Michael Gove said while he was personally sure Ms Rayner "has done nothing wrong", there was a "big question over what happened with Angela Rayner's homes".

"The only way that Angela Rayner can resolve ongoing questions is to publish her legal advice and tax details and put an end to the speculation," he said.

"Unless and until she does she will be dogged by this speculation and questions.

"It's in her interest, Labour's interests and country's interest that she levels and answers the really serious questions that have been put to her."

I know what he said, hence the LOL..

The CGT is the least of her worries..

[Wombat3]

Deesee said:

I know what he said, hence the LOL..

The CGT is the least of her worries..

Whoosh Parrot for me

[Wings]

Don't they say, "It pays to to be nice to the people you meet on the way up, for they are the same people you meet on the way down". Hence why Angela (two homes) Rayner does not want her full personal details made public, and open to scrutiny by her former neighbours she upset.

To think this person could be the next deputy prime minister, with Lammy foreign secretary, how low British politics has sunk .