UK smoking ban for those born after 2009

[bodhi]

Ari said:

Exactly!!!

So many comrades in agreement, this is wonderful!

What else can we ban!?

It's a Brave New World comrade. After eating our Government approved breakfast we can then decide what Government approved activities we can do for the day.

PS you can stick your porridge somewhere uncomfortable - I'll stick to Frosties.

[Hants PHer]

Ari said:

Of course!!
How did I miss this off of my list!? We absolutely must ban this as well!
BAN BAN BAN BAN! If it's not healthy comrade, it MUST be banished!

Wes Streeting, is that you?

[S600BSB]

Hants PHer said:

Ari said:

Of course!!
How did I miss this off of my list!? We absolutely must ban this as well!
BAN BAN BAN BAN! If it's not healthy comrade, it MUST be banished!

Wes Streeting, is that you?

I think he has had one too many Covid jabs!

[Oliver Hardy]

Nomme de Plum said:

ChemicalChaos said:

I think the big difference between smoking vs junk food/alcohol, is that you can't passively get drunk or fat from someone else indulging. How many friends/relatives/children suffer health issues from proximity to smokers? Obviously far less now than before indoor smoking was banned, but I'd wager still quite a lot

Passive smoking was a huge problem and caused the untimely, unpleasant and unnecessary deaths of a number of entertainers. Roy castle being a very well known one.

Yep lets make smoking illegal but legalize cannabises which stinks far more and has the same health effects if not greater.

The passive smoking science is crap and is propaganda

I never smoked either!

[Baroque attacks]

S600BSB said:

I think he has had one too many Covid jabs!

I knew a thread about a smoking ban would give the vaccine loons a headache

[Dagnir]

Ari said:

S600BSB said:

Dagnir said:

Probably been mentioned already but I expect fatty and sugary foods to follow.

Addictive, cheap and the health burden is far greater.

If adults can't choose to smoke, what's the argument that they should be allowed to buy surgery/fatty foods?

Really do hope so. We are (literally) eating ourselves to death. Use the tax regime to hammer the sales of ultra processed foods etc as with cigarettes.

Of course!!

How did I miss this off of my list!? We absolutely must ban this as well!

BAN BAN BAN BAN! If it's not healthy comrade, it MUST be banished!

Bingo!

Let's just all eat nutritional slop and live in boxes in sterile, safe world where no ever gets hurt.

Staggering the amount of people that want to remove other people's freedoms when they are barely even affected by them.

[Ari]

Baroque attacks said:

I knew a thread about a smoking ban would give the vaccine loons a headache

Excellent YES!! I like this!

Anyone objecting to the banning of anything unhealthy, from smoking to fatty foods to motorbikes to driving for pleasure, can be labelled a 'loon' of some description! It worked brilliantly during covid. Question the severity of covid? COVID DENIER!!! Have any concerns at all with regards to the vaccine? ANTIVAX!!!!

This is great, good work comrade!

[S600BSB]

Baroque attacks said:

S600BSB said:

I think he has had one too many Covid jabs!

I knew a thread about a smoking ban would give the vaccine loons a headache

My thoughts entirely… He should have worn a mask.

[Ari]

Dagnir said:

Bingo!

Let's just all eat nutritional slop and live in boxes in sterile, safe world where no ever gets hurt.

Staggering the amount of people that want to remove other people's freedoms when they are barely even affected by them.

Isn't it though? They just don't get it do they? Critical thinking skills really are a thing of the past (as is any sense of irony, judging by one or two of the replies above).

I am SO glad to have lived in the era I mostly lived in, before people started clamouring to be controlled by the state, and cheering every new level of control.

[Dagnir]

S600BSB said:

Dagnir said:

Probably been mentioned already but I expect fatty and sugary foods to follow.

Addictive, cheap and the health burden is far greater.

If adults can't choose to smoke, what's the argument that they should be allowed to buy surgery/fatty foods?

Really do hope so. We are (literally) eating ourselves to death. Use the tax regime to hammer the sales of ultra processed foods etc as with cigarettes.

Why shouldn't they able to? NHS burden? That's VERY dangerous territory...


Would you feel the same way, if it was something you enjoyed that was taken away due to a stranger's lack of self control?


Motorbikes for example. A biker is far more likely to harm me than a smoker....should they be banned? Or is the risk to their own life, their choice?


How do you square your position away? What principle are you applying to fags and food that can be applied to other things?

[Ari]

S600BSB said:

My thoughts entirely… He should have worn a mask.

Oh we'll definitely be getting those back! Once all these brave new rules that so many people seem to want have been implemented, there should be very little reason for anyone to go outside, but if they are allowed to, on state approved business obviously, for their own good and to make sure they're safe, masks should be mandatory.

After all, if it saves one life!

[Ari]

Dagnir said:

Why shouldn't they able to? NHS burden? That's VERY dangerous territory...


Would you feel the same way, if it was something you enjoyed that was taken away due to a stranger's lack of self control?


Motorbikes for example. A biker is far more likely to harm me than a smoker....should they be banned? Or is the risk to their own life, their choice?


How do you square your position away? What principle are you applying to fags and food that can be applied to other things?

I didn't think of that...

[isaldiri]

Dagnir said:

How do you square your position away? What principle are you applying to fags and food that can be applied to other things?

If I don't like it then it clearly should be banned. simple.....

[Dagnir]

Bluequay said:

Dagnir said:

Probably been mentioned already but I expect fatty and sugary foods to follow.

Addictive, cheap and the health burden is far greater.

If adults can't choose to smoke, what's the argument that they should be allowed to buy surgery/fatty foods?

Because those things can form a part of a healthy lifestyle if taken in moderation.

There is nothing healthy about smoking even in moderation.

Nonsense.


There's nothing healthy about sugar.


A few (I do mean a few) ciggies a year will have basically zero affect your life.


Both can be enjoyed by adults in moderation.


So what principle applies to cigs and not to sugary foods?

[Dagnir]

sugerbear said:

Dagnir said:

Nomme de Plum said:

Dagnir said:

Probably been mentioned already but I expect fatty and sugary foods to follow.

Addictive, cheap and the health burden is far greater.

If adults can't choose to smoke, what's the argument that they should be allowed to buy surgery/fatty foods?

Tobacco companies once had food companies as a division within their portfolio. These were largely spun off but those spin offs took the addiction approach with HPFs (hyper palatable foods). These have now morphed into ultra precessed foods which are incredibly addictive and hence the increasing obesity we have here in the UK ands of course the USA and spreading globally.

They will fight tooth and nail just as big tobacco did to prevent any legislation around restricting these, essentially, drugs being sold.

This piece of legislation is one of the very few positives from the RS premiership. It's also good to hear that when asked in school on balance those impacted are largely in favour of the ban. So from a democratic perspective of those it impacts it gets the thumbs up.

Corruption, greed, evil, and legislative power influence aside though....if we're ok with removing an adult's freedom to smoke, then the exact same principles could be applied to ban sugary foods.

I worry about the progressive trend of removing freedoms, choice and automany for able-minded adults.

What they are doing is removing the freedom of large companies to push sugary crap onto the general public. No one is going to starve/die if they dont have a bowl of chocoshreddies as there are plenty of healthy alternatives available. Porridge is healthier and cheaper. You can still buy a large bag of sugar and spoon feed it into your mouth if you want so your freedom to eat crap hasn't been curtailed.

Total and complete strawman.

[The Selfish Gene]

definitely should not be banned.

Body autonomy is a thing still isn't it? If i choose to smoke so be it (I don't). If I choose to eat McDonalds all day and be a cat funt , so be it (I don't).

I do ride motorbikes, every single day - and it's fking dangerous (particularly the way I do it) -

See also every single fun thing in the history of the world..................

freedom is the most important thing - the end.

[Dagnir]

Ari said:

Baroque attacks said:

I knew a thread about a smoking ban would give the vaccine loons a headache

Excellent YES!! I like this!

Anyone objecting to the banning of anything unhealthy, from smoking to fatty foods to motorbikes to driving for pleasure, can be labelled a 'loon' of some description! It worked brilliantly during covid. Question the severity of covid? COVID DENIER!!! Have any concerns at all with regards to the vaccine? ANTIVAX!!!!

This is great, good work comrade!

Page 1 of the Lefty handbook.


It's then repeated on every page, over and over...


Don't agree 100% = Morally bad person.


It's this very simple tactic that has destroyed Western society because we're too polite/scared. Amazing really.

[The Selfish Gene]

also to add (I haven't read the whole thread) don't be under any illusion the s in government give a fk about your health (see Covid BS)- any smoking ban is about saving money, purely and simply money.

[scenario8]

I’d criminalise sanctimony and superciliousness well before cigarette smoking. Or at least heavily tax their use and severely limit the areas in which they can be practised.

Of course I wouldn’t really. I’m “happy” to suffer the societal disbenefits of those actions as I am smoking.

[Essarell]

So they won’t be able to buy cigarettes, class a drugs however will still be readily available…….