UK smoking ban for those born after 2009
Discussion
I am not a fan of smoking and have never smoked but it was my choice not to do so and it should remain a personal choice for everyone. Very controlling and authoritarian behaviour seems to be growing in this country, particularly since the Covid epidemic. It is a malign thing and dangerous for our future liberty.
dbdb said:
I am not a fan of smoking and have never smoked but it was my choice not to do so and it should remain a personal choice for everyone. Very controlling and authoritarian behaviour seems to be growing in this country, particularly since the Covid epidemic. It is a malign thing and dangerous for our future liberty.
My thoughts too also aren't the rates of smoking at an all time low anyway and falling.I’m not a smoker and don’t know why anyone does, but each to their own and my own parents both smoked.
If we get rid of cigarettes then where is all the tax going to come from? I’m not sure but I can’t see getting rid of smoking will save the nhs as much as the tax it brings to the government.
People say when you give up smoking you put on weight so we will rid the nhs of smokers but end up with obese people
If we get rid of cigarettes then where is all the tax going to come from? I’m not sure but I can’t see getting rid of smoking will save the nhs as much as the tax it brings to the government.
People say when you give up smoking you put on weight so we will rid the nhs of smokers but end up with obese people
There is an element with stuff like this of "I dont like it/do it so ban it", see it all the time, and true, starting smoking nowadays is rather cretinous but whats next ? Be careful what you wish for as something you do or like will be in the firing line, no beer over 5% ABV or something ?
I get the sentiment, its like the EV thing, overall it should improve things but is this the state overstepping its remit ?
Smoking tobacco will likely die out naturally with those who currently smoke, as they die, there cant be many waiting to pay the best part of twenty quid for a packet ? Hence the popularity of vaping, which I would concur needs regulating and more work done into the effects. I was behind some kids in our local convenience store recently and one was trying to buy disposable vapes but credit to the shopkeeper he was having none of it, but not all will be as diligent.
Its easy to look down your nose at smokers, they are a persecuted breed and the moves that have been made seem to have had a massive effect, when I was 20 odd smokers were everywhere, now rarely see anyone smoking.
Plus, when did banning stuff actually stop its use ? Would just be a massive rise in counterfeit and imported tobacco products I expect, or the perverse situation of sending a pensioner in for you at 33 to get you some cigs, or taking a note from your mum like I used to have to.
I get the sentiment, its like the EV thing, overall it should improve things but is this the state overstepping its remit ?
Smoking tobacco will likely die out naturally with those who currently smoke, as they die, there cant be many waiting to pay the best part of twenty quid for a packet ? Hence the popularity of vaping, which I would concur needs regulating and more work done into the effects. I was behind some kids in our local convenience store recently and one was trying to buy disposable vapes but credit to the shopkeeper he was having none of it, but not all will be as diligent.
Its easy to look down your nose at smokers, they are a persecuted breed and the moves that have been made seem to have had a massive effect, when I was 20 odd smokers were everywhere, now rarely see anyone smoking.
Plus, when did banning stuff actually stop its use ? Would just be a massive rise in counterfeit and imported tobacco products I expect, or the perverse situation of sending a pensioner in for you at 33 to get you some cigs, or taking a note from your mum like I used to have to.
Terminator X said:
As I said last time this came up, how will they police it? If it was law now then in 10 years time 25 year olds could not buy cigs but 26 year olds would be able to.
TX.
Indeed. A moving age limit that changes every year, and requires shop staff to ask for ID a large chunk of clientele. 16 year olds being quizzed for ID is one thing. We’ll have the amusing scene of twenty somethings having to produce IDs, and in all likelihood 30 or maybe even 40 years olds depending on how youthful they appear. TX.
What could possibly go wrong
andy43 said:
Tom8 said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Good! Another nail in the coffin of tobacco is a good thing.
Why?Don't want to come across as a Saddick Khan and/or a miserable anti-freedom muppet but the sooner it's stopped the better.
Andy (mother-in-law died October from a COPD attack, father died 2013 of a heart attack while he was in hospital waiting for them to take his stage 4 cancer-ridden jaw to bits and replace it with bits from elsewhere.)
Did you know that some of those tobacco companies have invested heavily in the food industry and in particular the selling of addictive highly processed foods?
So having been responsible for the deaths and damaged lives of many millions of tobacco consumers they have now moved one step further into the gutter to damage the lives of children as well as adults.
Of course it's just business and completely legal.
andy43 said:
Tom8 said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Good! Another nail in the coffin of tobacco is a good thing.
Why?Extra taxes on Mr Kipling? Not so much.....
Geffg said:
I’m not a smoker and don’t know why anyone does, but each to their own and my own parents both smoked.
If we get rid of cigarettes then where is all the tax going to come from? I’m not sure but I can’t see getting rid of smoking will save the nhs as much as the tax it brings to the government.
People say when you give up smoking you put on weight so we will rid the nhs of smokers but end up with obese people
Not a good place to base an opinion on.If we get rid of cigarettes then where is all the tax going to come from? I’m not sure but I can’t see getting rid of smoking will save the nhs as much as the tax it brings to the government.
People say when you give up smoking you put on weight so we will rid the nhs of smokers but end up with obese people
The damage smoking did to smokers and passive smokers costed billions over the many decades and impaired brain development as well.
"The adolescent brain is particularly sensitive to the effects of nicotine. Studies in human subjects indicate that smoking during adolescence increases the risk of developing psychiatric disorders and cognitive impairment in later life."
Tom8 said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Good! Another nail in the coffin of tobacco is a good thing.
Why?Terminator X said:
As I said last time this came up, how will they police it? If it was law now then in 10 years time 25 year olds could not buy cigs but 26 year olds would be able to.
They are not expecting retailers to police it.They are expecting retailers to go "f
k that for a laugh" and to simply stop selling them.dbdb said:
I am not a fan of smoking and have never smoked but it was my choice not to do so and it should remain a personal choice for everyone. Very controlling and authoritarian behaviour seems to be growing in this country, particularly since the Covid epidemic. It is a malign thing and dangerous for our future liberty.
Had cigarets just been made available yesterday I'd agree with choice. But we have 100+ years where smoking was normalised, even the extent of Big Tobacco and the govt actively covering up findings relating to cancer. Big Tobacco spread misinformation to cover up research that exposed the damage, and govts everywhere turned a blind eye because of lobby and tax £. We'll look back on smoking in the 20th century with absolute astonishment in 20-30 years.Dave200 said:
Tom8 said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Good! Another nail in the coffin of tobacco is a good thing.
Why?Dave200 said:
Tom8 said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Good! Another nail in the coffin of tobacco is a good thing.
Why?So not coming out for big cancer, coming out for "let people know the risks and decide for themselves".
Smoking is disappearing anyway thanks to innovation in vapes and heated tobacco - shame the anti smoking lot are so against those too.
HRL said:
What’s wrong with cannabis? It’s less harmful than both tobacco and alcohol.
How is it less harmful than tobacco?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
It is not tobacco that causes health problems it is the smoke.
There has been a lot of mis information regarding the harm of tobacco too, especially passive smoking.
bodhi said:
Smoking is disappearing anyway thanks to innovation in vapes and heated tobacco - shame the anti smoking lot are so against those too.
While I kind of get the anti vape that contains nicotine I don't get how they can justify taxing the flavoured vapes.The BBC have been leading the campaign against vaping using children/teens as a reason for taxing/banning them but then go on to report on illegal vapes., I wonder if the illegal vapes will be taxed too?
Ridgemont said:
Terminator X said:
As I said last time this came up, how will they police it? If it was law now then in 10 years time 25 year olds could not buy cigs but 26 year olds would be able to.
TX.
Indeed. A moving age limit that changes every year, and requires shop staff to ask for ID a large chunk of clientele. 16 year olds being quizzed for ID is one thing. We’ll have the amusing scene of twenty somethings having to produce IDs, and in all likelihood 30 or maybe even 40 years olds depending on how youthful they appear. TX.
What could possibly go wrong
Edited by S600BSB on Wednesday 20th March 17:41
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