UK smoking ban for those born after 2009

[Hill92]

otolith said:

I wonder if this will survive challenge on equalities and human rights arguments once it actually has the effect of arbitrarily restricting the rights of one group of adults on the basis of age.

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of laws with restrictions based on age or date of birth over and beyond age 18 child/adult distinction, including minimum wage, pensions and citizenship to name a few major examples. Courts have upheld Parliament's right to make such laws, e.g. rejecting the arguments of Women Against State Pension Inequality.

As for enforcement, it will likely be a case that retailers will require that anyone wishing to buy tobacco must show valid ID or no sale.

[anonymous-user]

BikeBikeBIke said:

We need to scrap the NHS ASAP.

I want my healthcare to look after me, I don't want me to have to give up stuff to protect my healthcare provider.

You just don't get French people making sacrifices to protect a bloody monopoly!

Maybe that's because they spend 20% more per capita on health care

[smn159]

BikeBikeBIke said:

We need to scrap the NHS ASAP.

I want my healthcare to look after me, I don't want me to have to give up stuff to protect my healthcare provider.

That's a pretty entitled opinion - there are responsibilities as well as rights in society

[BikeBikeBIke]

Bluequay said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

We need to scrap the NHS ASAP.

I want my healthcare to look after me, I don't want me to have to give up stuff to protect my healthcare provider.

You just don't get French people making sacrifices to protect a bloody monopoly!

Maybe that's because they spend 20% more per capita on health care

They can top up with *anything* they want. That's the point.

[jameswills]

BikeBikeBIke said:

We need to scrap the NHS ASAP.

I want my healthcare to look after me, I don't want me to have to give up stuff to protect my healthcare provider.

You just don't get French people making sacrifices to protect a bloody monopoly!

On the issue under discussion nobody is saying we will smoke less. The plan is to stop ships selling cigarette to certain people. Those people will still be able to buy cigarettes, just not legally. I'm pretty sure 90pc of UK cigarettes are already illegally imported to dodge the tax as things stand.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Wednesday 17th April 13:48

They can buy them legally, just not from a shop. I can’t see why I can’t buy a packet of fags and sell them to anyone over 18 if they ask, it’s not illegal to smoke.

[S600BSB]

Bluequay said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

We need to scrap the NHS ASAP.

I want my healthcare to look after me, I don't want me to have to give up stuff to protect my healthcare provider.

You just don't get French people making sacrifices to protect a bloody monopoly!

Maybe that's because they spend 20% more per capita on health care

They do indeed.

[anonymous-user]

jameswills said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

We need to scrap the NHS ASAP.

I want my healthcare to look after me, I don't want me to have to give up stuff to protect my healthcare provider.

You just don't get French people making sacrifices to protect a bloody monopoly!

On the issue under discussion nobody is saying we will smoke less. The plan is to stop ships selling cigarette to certain people. Those people will still be able to buy cigarettes, just not legally. I'm pretty sure 90pc of UK cigarettes are already illegally imported to dodge the tax as things stand.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Wednesday 17th April 13:48

They can buy them legally, just not from a shop. I can’t see why I can’t buy a packet of fags and sell them to anyone over 18 if they ask, it’s not illegal to smoke.

You can, you will just be breaking the law. It's not a law saying shops can't sell them to people born after 2009.

[jameswills]

Hill92 said:

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of laws with restrictions based on age or date of birth over and beyond age 18 child/adult distinction, including minimum wage, pensions and citizenship to name a few major examples. Courts have upheld Parliament's right to make such laws, e.g. rejecting the arguments of Women Against State Pension Inequality.

As for enforcement, it will likely be a case that retailers will require that anyone wishing to buy tobacco must show valid ID or no sale.

Not like this, I’m not sure people are grasping the maths on this. It means someone born pre 2009 can buy cigarettes from a shop for the rest of their lives up until their death. Someone who was born in 2009 cannot, ever. No age at all they can reach that deems the responsible for consuming a product that is freely available to another sector of society.

Unless of course perhaps we have some sort of ID, and maybe this person in 2009 could buy some sort of social credit……..

[S600BSB]

Dave200 said:

bhstewie said:

Nah never mind the germs it'll be the 15 minute cities that limit what you can do

Years back people were freaking out when they stopped smokers smoking in restaurants or offices or on flights.

Times change.

Honestly this is all a bit over the top.

It's just the classic antiestablishment schtick. People impotently raging against the machine and finding ridiculous ways to build tenuous arguments, hence the hilarious comparison to stabbing and county lines.

Come on, it’s NP&E!

[catso]

A quick question (as I can't be bothered to look it up), all the headlines I have seen and heard are regarding it being illegal for those born after 2009 to buy cigarettes but does it actually make it illegal for them to smoke them or just buy them?

[BikeBikeBIke]

smn159 said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

We need to scrap the NHS ASAP.

I want my healthcare to look after me, I don't want me to have to give up stuff to protect my healthcare provider.

That's a pretty entitled opinion - there are responsibilities as well as rights in society

Yup. And it's my responsibility to look after my healthcare. You shouldn't be helping me. If you and other tax payers *want* to chip in 3 grand a year to my healthcare then great but I should be able to top that up and I certainly shouldn't be giving stuff up to protect the provider.

Its utterly insane.

[jameswills]

Bluequay said:

You can, you will just be breaking the law. It's not a law saying shops can't sell them to people born after 2009.

How will I? What if I give them a packet of fags, and they buy me a couple of pints?

[anonymous-user]

BikeBikeBIke said:

smn159 said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

We need to scrap the NHS ASAP.

I want my healthcare to look after me, I don't want me to have to give up stuff to protect my healthcare provider.

That's a pretty entitled opinion - there are responsibilities as well as rights in society

Yup. And it's my responsibility to look after my healthcare. You shouldn't be helping me. If you and other tax payers *want* to chip in 3 grand a year to my healthcare then great but I should be able to top that up and I certainly shouldn't be giving stuff up to protect the provider.

Its utterly insane.

Nobody is being asked to give anything up, nobody affected by this new law is allowed to buy cigarettes already.

[bodhi]

Bluequay said:

You can, you will just be breaking the law. It's not a law saying shops can't sell them to people born after 2009.

Not just ciagrettes, but rolling papers also.

Which could be amusing when weed is legalised......

[anonymous-user]

jameswills said:

Bluequay said:

You can, you will just be breaking the law. It's not a law saying shops can't sell them to people born after 2009.

How will I? What if I give them a packet of fags, and they buy me a couple of pints?

That isn't the question you originally asked though is it. People born after 2009 will of course still be able to obtain cigarettes if will just be harder.

[BikeBikeBIke]

jameswills said:

How will I? What if I give them a packet of fags, and they buy me a couple of pints?

Agree and it doesn't matter because we know people will have no problem whatsoever getting cigarettes. Prohibition doesn't work. Personally I wish it did, but it doesn't.

Banning certain people from buying cigarettes when they can buy them by the suitcase load in Calais and bring them back is mental.

Of course, they won't even need the trip to Calais because local criminals will cheerfully full the gap.

[CheesecakeRunner]

Bluequay said:

Nobody is being asked to give anything up, nobody affected by this new law is allowed to buy cigarettes already.

And the idea is, by the time they get older, they won't want to because they won't have been sucked into it whilst young and stupid.

[anonymous-user]

BikeBikeBIke said:

jameswills said:

How will I? What if I give them a packet of fags, and they buy me a couple of pints?

Agree and it doesn't matter because we know people will have no problem whatsoever getting cigarettes. Prohibition doesn't work. Personally I wish it did, but it doesn't.

Banning certain people from buying cigarettes when they can buy them by the suitcase load in Calais and bring them back is mental.

Of course, they won't even need the trip to Calais because local criminals will cheerfully full the gap.

Might as well start selling hand guns in Tesco as well then because the people who want them enough can already get them. We certainly shouldn't try and do anything about it.

[Dave200]

Randy Winkman said:

bhstewie said:

Yep banning smoking is definitely the first step on a slippery slope towards eugenics.

Jesus christ

It's true though - and they send you to jail for saying you're English these days.

I got fined for flying a Union Jack in my garden the other day. And my dog did.

[Dingu]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Agree and it doesn't matter because we know people will have no problem whatsoever getting cigarettes. Prohibition doesn't work. Personally I wish it did, but it doesn't.

Banning certain people from buying cigarettes when they can buy them by the suitcase load in Calais and bring them back is mental.

Of course, they won't even need the trip to Calais because local criminals will cheerfully full the gap.

As mental as sitting here typing about getting rid of the NHS actually.