UK smoking ban for those born after 2009

[CheesecakeRunner]

Boringvolvodriver said:

The issue here is the change in the age at which point it is legal or illegal to purchase tobacco. The law is currently 18 (iirc in the past it was 16?) which is sensible and still doesn’t stop under age smoking.

The proposal is a fudge as it will not stop some children smoking in the same way as the current law doesn’t.

The new law is not intended to stop underage smoking. As you say, there is an existing law, and for the most part, it does work.

The new law is intended to stop adults smoking by ensuring they never start.

[Dave200]

119 said:

bodhi said:

Dave200 said:

Just because I don't want adults to smoke means that I'm happy for them to be stabbed, or die of obesity or heart disease. Brilliant. You might be my new favourite troll.

If they're adults what concern should it be of yours if they smoke or not?

I guess If they smoke in their own homes then let them get on with it.

Absolutely. And if they want to take crack in their own homes then let them get on with it. You lot are absolutely hilarious. The constant impotent rage must be exhausting.

[bodhi]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

The issue here is the change in the age at which point it is legal or illegal to purchase tobacco. The law is currently 18 (iirc in the past it was 16?) which is sensible and still doesn’t stop under age smoking.

The proposal is a fudge as it will not stop some children smoking in the same way as the current law doesn’t.

The new law is not intended to stop underage smoking. As you say, there is an existing law, and for the most part, it does work.

The new law is intended to stop adults smoking by ensuring they never start.

Making cocaine illegal made sure no one ever started taking it, so I predict much success with this new law.

[CheesecakeRunner]

bodhi said:

Making cocaine illegal made sure no one ever started taking it, so I predict much success with this new law.

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

[handpaper]

bhstewie said:

Vanden Saab said:

First they came for...

I really don't think Philip Morris and British American Tobacco is who Niemöller had in mind.

Maybe not Niemöller, but probably Mencken...

H L Mencken said:

“The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”

But then, to the perpetually concerned, we are all scoundrels who decline to take our condition as seriously as do they.

[Boringvolvodriver]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

The issue here is the change in the age at which point it is legal or illegal to purchase tobacco. The law is currently 18 (iirc in the past it was 16?) which is sensible and still doesn’t stop under age smoking.

The proposal is a fudge as it will not stop some children smoking in the same way as the current law doesn’t.

The new law is not intended to stop underage smoking. As you say, there is an existing law, and for the most part, it does work.

The new law is intended to stop adults smoking by ensuring they never start.

Although you could argue that with the 18+ rule and general changes in attitudes, this is already happening

As at 2022 11% of 18 - 24 year old smoke

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1189201/uk-pop...

It would be interesting to see what that was 20 years or so ago? A lot higher I would suspect.

History May also show that if you ban something, then there may be greater reason to do something which is classed as illegal……..

[Ridgemont]

jameswills said:

bodhi said:

If they're adults what concern should it be of yours if they smoke or not?

Why can a 40 year old smoke but 39 year old cannot? Im confused as to how people can’t see this as a major problem down the line, I.e this will become something else unless repealed.

I can well imagine in 2027 when the 2009 cohort hits 18 there may very well be a round of law suits.

But fear not. In the meantime the future government will have moved on to legalising hard drugs and assisted death for the infirm/mentally handicapped/anxious as per Canada. But look Smoking is on its way out!
I look forward to the move on anything where the stats say the mortality rate is out of kilter with the arbitrated mean, but are self inflicted.
Like possibly swimming or cycling. But I suspect not…

[BoRED S2upid]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

Are you sure of that? How do you know how many people take cocaine? You can’t track sales like with fags. Cocaine use is rife across the country at all ages and goes largely unpunished.

[wc98]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

I would bet a substantial amount of money that is not the case among people under 40. The level of cocaine use in this country, particularly in young professionals, is crazy high.

[pork911]

CheesecakeRunner said:

bodhi said:

Making cocaine illegal made sure no one ever started taking it, so I predict much success with this new law.

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

Debatable these days.

[bodhi]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

Not necessarily the case in the age group affected by this silly law judging by the figures posted earlier.

[Mr Penguin]

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/trackers/smokin...

18-24 4% smoke every day, 12% smoke but not every day.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/995259/cocaine...

6.2% of 15-24 year olds take cocaine

https://releaf.co.uk/education/cannabis-101/statis...

24% for cannabis

[Electro1980]

bodhi said:

Electro1980 said:

Do you feel the same about drugs, or are you like Truss and Johnson? Smoking “don’t tell adults what to do”. Cannabis “it’s bad!!!!!!! BAN IT AND BAN IT MORE!!!”

Lol, if you knew me you'd know what a silly question that is I've dabbled in most of them and regularly enjoy some herbal refreshment...

That’s why I ask the question. Some people, like yourself, have a consistent viewpoint. Many, like the conservatives making all the noise, don’t.

Personally, having dabbled in soft drugs and smoked, if legalise weed and ban cigarettes. At least weed has some effect, like alcohol. Cigarettes do nothing but stop the nagging craving for a few hours. At least other drugs get you high.

[Dave200]

BoRED S2upid said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

Are you sure of that? How do you know how many people take cocaine? You can’t track sales like with fags. Cocaine use is rife across the country at all ages and goes largely unpunished.

Are you sure of that? How do you know it's rife?

[jameswills]

CheesecakeRunner said:

The new law is not intended to stop underage smoking. As you say, there is an existing law, and for the most part, it does work.

The new law is intended to stop adults smoking by ensuring they never start.

You’re starting from a premise that anyone that smokes started before they were 18 and then because of that they could not shake a violent addiction? Does that actually reflect anything anyone has experienced about life with anything?

[jameswills]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that.

[Ridgemont]

Dave200 said:

BoRED S2upid said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

Are you sure of that? How do you know how many people take cocaine? You can’t track sales like with fags. Cocaine use is rife across the country at all ages and goes largely unpunished.

Are you sure of that? How do you know it's rife?

The new oddest thing over the last 10 years or so having frequented both town and country pubs is the sheer bonkers level of emptied wraps left in men’s loos. You may not be aware of it but it is absolutely rife.
My partner works in the local: there are chaps there who snort just to come down the local. Absolutely bonkers. But it is everywhere.

[Not-The-Messiah]

wc98 said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

I would bet a substantial amount of money that is not the case among people under 40. The level of cocaine use in this country, particularly in young professionals, is crazy high.

Well easily sorted just tell people if they are born before 2007 they no longer can buy cocaine that will solve the problem. The naive child like public will love the idea and the clapping seal like MPs will go for it. Problem solved.

[Ridgemont]

Not-The-Messiah said:

wc98 said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

I would bet a substantial amount of money that is not the case among people under 40. The level of cocaine use in this country, particularly in young professionals, is crazy high.

Well easily sorted just tell people if they are born before 2007 they no longer can buy cocaine that will solve the problem. The naive child like public will love the idea and the clapping seal like MPs will go for it. Problem solved.

Would Sir like some recently legalised Crystal Meth?

[jules_s]

Ridgemont said:

Dave200 said:

BoRED S2upid said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

Of course not.

But a hell of a lot less people take coke than smoke cigarettes.

Are you sure of that? How do you know how many people take cocaine? You can’t track sales like with fags. Cocaine use is rife across the country at all ages and goes largely unpunished.

Are you sure of that? How do you know it's rife?

The new oddest thing over the last 10 years or so having frequented both town and country pubs is the sheer bonkers level of emptied wraps left in men’s loos. You may not be aware of it but it is absolutely rife.
My partner works in the local: there are chaps there who snort just to come down the local. Absolutely bonkers. But it is everywhere.

I would suggest that it was the same in the 90's.

Just back then we smoked and drank way too much too.