Teacher fired for not using preferred pronouns!

Teacher fired for not using preferred pronouns!

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BikeBikeBIke

8,090 posts

116 months

Friday 22nd March
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chrispmartha said:
So why bring up Trans Women in Female toilets? - (you do realise trans women have been using the toilets they want for decades now?)
All the Trans women where I work use the unisex disabled toilets without any compulsion, they just think the women are more comfortable that way.

chrispmartha

15,514 posts

130 months

Friday 22nd March
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BikeBikeBIke said:
chrispmartha said:
So why bring up Trans Women in Female toilets? - (you do realise trans women have been using the toilets they want for decades now?)
All the Trans women where I work use the unisex disabled toilets without any compulsion, they just think the women are more comfortable that way.
All the trans women - where do you work?

Again what’s it got to do with the topic?

thewarlock

3,235 posts

46 months

Friday 22nd March
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"Why are we not allowed to question why a student is presenting in the opposite sex?"

Because you're a maths teacher. Do your job.

jdw100

4,126 posts

165 months

Friday 22nd March
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BikeBikeBIke said:
jdw100 said:
otolith said:
It's not a school, it's a further education college. They don't do that.

https://www.newcollege.ac.uk/

In any case, kids now apparently don't generally use the showers - and the policy for the last 25 years has been to build cubicles rather than the communal facilities my generation was forced to use.
Prompted me to ask my daughter about post- swimming showering at school.

Never thought about it.

Turns out the facilities are such you can use a cubicle or shower with friends. She likes to shower with her friends, she says.

They are 6-7 age group.

Same facilities used by all kids after relevant swimming classes up to age 18.

So I guess some still use communal part.

Different country and all that.
FWIW my daughter doesn't shower after PE and she says none of the other girls do. IMHO that's minging.

I guess their generation just identify as 'not stinking'.
Yuck! How old?

Last lesson of the day I hope?

On the topic of toilets:

A lot here we have in cafes, restaurants, clubs etc are mixed: as in a row of cubicles with shared hand washing facilities.

I was out on Friday last week. Where we had a nice drink toilet facilities were six stalls with man and women waiting. Couple of sinks. Cubicles are solid construction; not those flimsy open at the base affairs

Isn’t that the solution?



otolith

56,243 posts

205 months

Friday 22nd March
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jdw100 said:
Yuck! How old?

Last lesson of the day I hope?
https://www1.essex.ac.uk/news/event.aspx?e_id=7295

BikeBikeBIke

8,090 posts

116 months

Friday 22nd March
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chrispmartha said:
All the trans women - where do you work?
We currently have 6 on a site of 250 people and in the last 15 years a total of 11.

We have more the national average of people on the spectrum, too.

Patrick Bateman

12,193 posts

175 months

Friday 22nd March
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chrispmartha said:
All the trans women - where do you work?

Again what’s it got to do with the topic?
Are we not allowed to reply to posts that go off-piste a bit?

otolith

56,243 posts

205 months

Friday 22nd March
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Patrick Bateman said:
Are we not allowed to reply to posts that go off-piste a bit?
I think the whole topic of whether trans students should be allowed in colleges and if so which toilets they should use is too large for a discussion of whether the teacher in this particular school was treated fairly.

272BHP

5,125 posts

237 months

Friday 22nd March
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otolith said:
I expect school showers and smart phone use are not really compatible.

otolith

56,243 posts

205 months

Friday 22nd March
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272BHP said:
I expect school showers and smart phone use are not really compatible.
Probably part of it. Possibly also the staff are wary of trying to enforce showering - ours would be in the changing room herding naked kids into the showers, but while there was gossip and insinuation about the PE teachers back then, these days it's taken a bit more seriously. Who would want to open themselves up to that kind of thing now?

jdw100

4,126 posts

165 months

Saturday 23rd March
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otolith said:
jdw100 said:
Yuck! How old?

Last lesson of the day I hope?
https://www1.essex.ac.uk/news/event.aspx?e_id=7295
I think I’ll have to add another ‘yuck’!


Legacywr

12,152 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd March
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jdw100 said:
otolith said:
jdw100 said:
Yuck! How old?

Last lesson of the day I hope?
https://www1.essex.ac.uk/news/event.aspx?e_id=7295
I think I’ll have to add another ‘yuck’!
Having a shower at school was the pits…

Oakey

27,595 posts

217 months

Saturday 23rd March
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otolith said:
Probably part of it. Possibly also the staff are wary of trying to enforce showering - ours would be in the changing room herding naked kids into the showers, but while there was gossip and insinuation about the PE teachers back then, these days it's taken a bit more seriously. Who would want to open themselves up to that kind of thing now?
That wasn't just my school then?

gotoPzero

17,278 posts

190 months

Saturday 23rd March
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I have noticed at my gym that the younger people tend not to shower. They tend to smother themselves in lynx and walk out.

The older guys, 40+ shower every time.

BikeBikeBIke

8,090 posts

116 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Legacywr said:
Having a shower at school was the pits…
Neutral for me but If I'd been trans it would have been awesome.

gregs656

10,912 posts

182 months

Saturday 23rd March
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BikeBikeBIke said:
Neutral for me but If I'd been trans it would have been awesome.
Ignoring the issue that trans people’s sexuality isn’t tied to their gender identity - you’re saying it would be awesome because you could perv?

And you think it’s trans people who are the problem? Not pervs?

biggbn

23,485 posts

221 months

Saturday 23rd March
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272BHP said:
I am just confused about the word 'polite' being used on here as a supposed requirement for a teacher.

Since when did that become either necessary or expected?
Isn't being polite and respectful necessary and expected in life in general?

biggbn

23,485 posts

221 months

Saturday 23rd March
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dundarach said:
otolith said:
I find that a rather strange position. We expect police officers to be polite and respectful. We expect the same from doctors, tax inspectors, ticket inspectors, doormen, receptionists. Even setting aside any idea that it's appropriate to default to treating anyone disrespectfully if they don't have a choice about being there, this is a further education college, not a Borstal.
Based on statistic alone, technically I taught the lowest academic children in England one year.

Many of the children were only allowed in for my lesson and then had to go home smile

Regardless, I was always polite and respectful, they were the most successful tools I had!
100%, well said.

BikeBikeBIke

8,090 posts

116 months

Saturday 23rd March
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gregs656 said:
Ignoring the issue that trans people’s sexuality isn’t tied to their gender identity - you’re saying it would be awesome because you could perv?

And you think it’s trans people who are the problem? Not pervs?
Yes, because I could perv, and I made no comment whatsoever on trans people in general.

Now you mention it it, I'd agree sexuality isn't tied to gender Identity. Don't you find that odd? People with Women's brains trapped in a man's body almost always have a the sexual desire of a man. Odd that *that* bit of the brain is male.

bitchstewie

51,459 posts

211 months

Saturday 23rd March
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No need to was there.

Straight to all the usual grubby little tropes about changing rooms.