Teacher fired for not using preferred pronouns!

[bobbo89]

I've had teachers and tutors in the past who have been very direct and to the point, very little to no niceties and simply teach. I can see how some may construe their directness as rudeness but to me they were just getting to the point without the fluff.

First PE class at high school one lad went straight into the shower and immediately got the piss taken out of him for the obvious reason. After that the closest anyone got to showering after PE was washing our legs of the mud after playing rugby, mucky little bds we were! PE at the end of the day was always best as you'd just go home in your PE kit then get showered and changed there instead.

[biggbn]

272BHP said:

biggbn said:

...I'd say its counterproductive for doing any job...

Any job?

Ever seen a military instructor at work or even a sports coach?

Please and thank yous are unlikely to be uttered.

Hey man, you have a different opinion to me and that's cool. I think to an extent you are confusing being polite with being deferential, two different concepts in my mind. Everyone is different, but my guys have always done what I asked because they wanted to, not because they felt they had to. Your way is different and, as I say, that's cool. For me, ya catch more bees with honey than vinegar.

Edited by biggbn on Sunday 24th March 12:40

[andy_s]

Dunno, it seems to me on the face of it that losing your job based on what someone says they feel about what you said or didn't say is dodgy ground, if it wasn't about 'this' particular hot subject wouldn't it normally be dealt with by other means first? [Maybe it was...?]

[Electro1980]

272BHP said:

biggbn said:

...I'd say its counterproductive for doing any job...

Any job?

Ever seen a military instructor at work or even a sports coach?

Please and thank yous are unlikely to be uttered.

Have you seen the stuff recently in the news about bullying and harassment in elite sports? It’s not the way to get the best out of people.

Regardless, this is about teaching in schools and being a shouty tt is now entirely understood to both be unhelpful and unacceptable thank god. If you think we should go back to that, just take a look at the thread on private schools.

[272BHP]

Electro1980 said:

Have you seen the stuff recently in the news about bullying and harassment in elite sports? It’s not the way to get the best out of people.

Regardless, this is about teaching in schools and being a shouty tt is now entirely understood to both be unhelpful and unacceptable thank god. If you think we should go back to that, just take a look at the thread on private schools.

You are using words like bullying, harassment and shouty tt. No one is saying that kind of behaviour is acceptable in schools. There is a middle ground.

[BabySharkDD]

Yet if the teacher had encouraged her to have her breasts cut off and a weird slab of meat put between her legs, this would be considered brave and progressive.

Lovely world we are living in

[biggbn]

272BHP said:

Electro1980 said:

Have you seen the stuff recently in the news about bullying and harassment in elite sports? It’s not the way to get the best out of people.

Regardless, this is about teaching in schools and being a shouty tt is now entirely understood to both be unhelpful and unacceptable thank god. If you think we should go back to that, just take a look at the thread on private schools.

You are using words like bullying, harassment and shouty tt. No one is saying that kind of behaviour is acceptable in schools. There is a middle ground.

...and you seem to be mixing up decent, polite behavior with differential kowtowing. As ever, it's not binary.

[Randy Winkman]

BabySharkDD said:

Yet if the teacher had encouraged her to have her breasts cut off and a weird slab of meat put between her legs, this would be considered brave and progressive.

Lovely world we are living in

Or perhaps just something from the "middle ground" as suggested in the post above yours?

[bitchstewie]

BabySharkDD said:

Yet if the teacher had encouraged her to have her breasts cut off and a weird slab of meat put between her legs, this would be considered brave and progressive.

Lovely world we are living in

Never would have put money on this thread going this way from a simple request to call someone what they ask you to call them.

Imagine my surprise.

[popeyewhite]

bhstewie said:

Never would have put money on this thread going this way from a simple request to call someone what they ask you to call them.

Imagine my surprise.

You'll get over it.

It's not 'someone' btw it's a student, and the person being arsed around is a teacher. There's a place for this sort of stuff, and it's not the classroom.

[bitchstewie]

You're quite right it isn't which is why he's now looking for a job.

There's an easy way and a hard way.

Some people always choose the hard way.

[popeyewhite]

bhstewie said:

You're quite right it isn't which is why he's now looking for a job.

Don't think you've thought that one through. Surely you don't think the interruption in learning to the kids he teaches at school is a good thing?

[bitchstewie]

I'm quite comfortable with who seems to have caused the most interruption here.

Sacked Swindon teacher 'humiliated transgender student'

[MiniMan64]

bhstewie said:

I'm quite comfortable with who seems to have caused the most interruption here.

Sacked Swindon teacher 'humiliated transgender student'

Correct.

He wasn’t sacked for being gender critical, he was sacked for being unprofessional to students.

[popeyewhite]

bhstewie said:

I'm quite comfortable with who seems to have caused the most interruption here.

Sacked Swindon teacher 'humiliated transgender student'

As long as you're comfortable. There's an internet argument to win after all.

I'd prefer no interruption in the classroom whatsoever.

[bitchstewie]

Nothing to do with "winning" anything.

All he had to do was behave professionally and he was found not to have done so.

Repeatedly.

[popeyewhite]

bhstewie said:

Nothing to do with "winning" anything.

All he had to do was behave professionally and he was found not to have done so.

Repeatedly.

Ah I didn't realise the tribunal found against him. What were the closing comments?

[turbobloke]

MiniMan64 said:

bhstewie said:

I'm quite comfortable with who seems to have caused the most interruption here.

Sacked Swindon teacher 'humiliated transgender student'

Correct.

He wasn’t sacked for being gender critical, he was sacked for being unprofessional to students.

If Kitching /heir & successor / SLT have the paperwork in order, and can back up the claim as fully documented (it looks a bit knee jerky as an expecte retort) fair enough. It'll be interesting, if so, to know how long the alleged behaviour was going on for, prior to the pronouns furore, and why the teacher wasn't dismissed sooner, gross misconduct requires no written warning and no notice.

[bitchstewie]

popeyewhite said:

Ah I didn't realise the tribunal found against him. What were the closing comments?

I didn't say the tribunal.

Read the article(s).

If you really think that was professional behaviour fair enough.

[Randy Winkman]

popeyewhite said:

bhstewie said:

I'm quite comfortable with who seems to have caused the most interruption here.

Sacked Swindon teacher 'humiliated transgender student'

As long as you're comfortable. There's an internet argument to win after all.

I'd prefer no interruption in the classroom whatsoever.

No interruptions at all? For anything?