Public satisfaction with NHS at lowest ever level
Discussion
This topic, as usual, has morphed into a discussion about money. Some posters assert that more money is the answer; I've read elsewhere that the UK would need to spend around £40 billion more, per year, to reach European averages, and more like £70 billion to match ze Germans.
Well that's not going to happen, is it? Unless you think Rachel Reeves is fibbing when she insists that she'll follow her 'fiscal rules'. Or perhaps the Scottish or Welsh governments will raise taxes and transform health care in those places. Doubt it.
And there's the rub. We complain about the NHS and give it low satisfaction scores, but vote for politicians that - according to many posters on here - underfund it. Any suggested reform (small 'r') is met with howls of protest along the lines of "hands off our NHS", and those who propose reform to the NHS deity are derided as heretics.
Therefore, it seems to me, nothing much will change. If we're prepared to neither dramatically scale up funding nor embrace reform we will get the same as we've had for many years. Something that could be said about much in the UK, not just the NHS.
Well that's not going to happen, is it? Unless you think Rachel Reeves is fibbing when she insists that she'll follow her 'fiscal rules'. Or perhaps the Scottish or Welsh governments will raise taxes and transform health care in those places. Doubt it.
And there's the rub. We complain about the NHS and give it low satisfaction scores, but vote for politicians that - according to many posters on here - underfund it. Any suggested reform (small 'r') is met with howls of protest along the lines of "hands off our NHS", and those who propose reform to the NHS deity are derided as heretics.
Therefore, it seems to me, nothing much will change. If we're prepared to neither dramatically scale up funding nor embrace reform we will get the same as we've had for many years. Something that could be said about much in the UK, not just the NHS.
Ian Geary said:
The obvious missing information in this table is inflation.
Yes, the numbers are adjusted for population growth.
But it's silent on inflation. So a 0% cash increase per head is a *real terms* cut when inflation is anything above 0%.
All of the numbers cited in this thread are in respect to spending in real terms. Yes, the numbers are adjusted for population growth.
But it's silent on inflation. So a 0% cash increase per head is a *real terms* cut when inflation is anything above 0%.
S600BSB said:
My first thought too.. Idiot.
I don't know the prices of *any* operations except the one I mentioned. Yet under the current system I get as much say in your healthcare as you do. I also know f
k all about Plumbing, do you want me having the same say in your plumbing as you? I suspect that very few people know the prices of operations. So millions of idiots who don't have valid views on healthcare are making your healthcare choices for you. And you like that system?Much better to pick a system where you have far greater control, so you get decent care.
Cold said:
How much of this dissatisfaction is a knock-on effect of the recent (and ongoing) strike action?
Maybe they see lack of staff as an issue but don’t think why is there a lack of staff ?Who working in the NHS hasn’t been on strike in the past 12 months ?
This should be a damning inditement of how the government see the workforce that they won’t even negotiate.
Hunt messed around with Doctors and now is Chancellor. A man so hated he would be brought in and out of hospital visits through side doors with a select audience allowed to ask pre prepped question's.
JagLover said:
Ian Geary said:
The obvious missing information in this table is inflation.
Yes, the numbers are adjusted for population growth.
But it's silent on inflation. So a 0% cash increase per head is a *real terms* cut when inflation is anything above 0%.
All of the numbers cited in this thread are in respect to spending in real terms. Yes, the numbers are adjusted for population growth.
But it's silent on inflation. So a 0% cash increase per head is a *real terms* cut when inflation is anything above 0%.
So there are no Tory cuts on the NHS.
Less spend than Labour. Less spend than perhaps some would like to see.
But no cuts.
To suggest so is plain lying.
oyster said:
AND it references that it accounts for demographics too.
So there are no Tory cuts on the NHS.
Less spend than Labour. Less spend than perhaps some would like to see.
But no cuts.
To suggest so is plain lying.
So the Tories have manged to make it worse without actually making any cuts. Nice trick. So there are no Tory cuts on the NHS.
Less spend than Labour. Less spend than perhaps some would like to see.
But no cuts.
To suggest so is plain lying.
James6112 said:
Quite a Tory legacy
Turned the highest NHS ratings, to the lowest. Under their tenure.
Great work, that’s why they are finished, possibly forever.
I dont want them finished forever, just finished this yearTurned the highest NHS ratings, to the lowest. Under their tenure.
Great work, that’s why they are finished, possibly forever.
The reason they have been allowed to run the country into such a state of destitution is that there hasnt been a legitimate opposition to keep them honest and whoever governs next needs one to keep them in check
Cheers
numtumfutunch said:
I dont want them finished forever, just finished this year
The reason they have been allowed to run the country into such a state of destitution is that there hasnt been a legitimate opposition to keep them honest and whoever governs next needs one to keep them in check
Cheers
We want them finished forever.The reason they have been allowed to run the country into such a state of destitution is that there hasnt been a legitimate opposition to keep them honest and whoever governs next needs one to keep them in check
Cheers
Labour will then have a majority that removes some final hiding places.
If they f
k it up as much as expected, then they will also explode.That's the only route I see for the change we need.
Murph7355 said:
We want them finished forever.
Labour will then have a majority that removes some final hiding places.
If they fk it up as much as expected, then they will also explode.
That's the only route I see for the change we need.
Agree, good point. Those who think things can't get any worse are in for some painful shock. Labour will then have a majority that removes some final hiding places.
If they f
k it up as much as expected, then they will also explode.That's the only route I see for the change we need.
stuckmojo said:
Murph7355 said:
We want them finished forever.
Labour will then have a majority that removes some final hiding places.
If they fk it up as much as expected, then they will also explode.
That's the only route I see for the change we need.
Agree, good point. Those who think things can't get any worse are in for some painful shock. Labour will then have a majority that removes some final hiding places.
If they f
k it up as much as expected, then they will also explode.That's the only route I see for the change we need.
Lib Dems it is then
S600BSB said:
The demographics with threads like this are amusing - just a lot of old blokes with too much time on their hands! “If you think it can’t get any worse..” etc etc.
Personally I think young people don't need health care so they like to have a crap health service run by the government so they can use it as a vehicle to score points whereas old people desperately need good health care and would rather have good healthcare than a stick to beat the government with.It's really hard to think of any other reason why so many people would think:
a) The government can't be trusted with heathcare.
b) Healthcare should be an artificial monopoly run by the Government.
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