Iran - Israel War

[skwdenyer]

Car bon said:

JJJ. said:

Yes, you have point but it's not a reason not to go down the path of a two state solution if that's what the majority of Palestinians and Israeli's agree to.
What other options are there...bad actors or not.

A one state solution ?

Treat everyone as an equal - a bit radical I know..... give every within the Israel border citizenship

That would involve Israel becoming secular. It isn’t going to happen.

[Oliver Hardy]

Car bon said:

JJJ. said:

Yes, you have point but it's not a reason not to go down the path of a two state solution if that's what the majority of Palestinians and Israeli's agree to.
What other options are there...bad actors or not.

A one state solution ?

Treat everyone as an equal - a bit radical I know..... give every within the Israel border citizenship

That would turn it into another Muslim country.

[isaldiri]

s1962a said:

vaud said:

s1962a said:

Considering all their toy drones were shot down, what exactly are they going to retaliate with thats going to have the allies worried?

All the ones launched were shot down. Do we know how big their stockpiles are?

The combined force of the allies would dwarf any stockpiles they may have, so why are the allies worried? We have much more advanced weaponry.

Excellent - when do we start regime changing Iran then?

Car bon said:

JJJ. said:

Yes, you have point but it's not a reason not to go down the path of a two state solution if that's what the majority of Palestinians and Israeli's agree to.
What other options are there...bad actors or not.

A one state solution ?

Treat everyone as an equal - a bit radical I know..... give every within the Israel border citizenship

Never going to happen as the Israelis have repeatedly stated (and have passed a law to ensure it) that only one ethnic group is going to be the one deciding matters in the state of Israel.....

[JJJ.]

Car bon said:

JJJ. said:

Yes, you have point but it's not a reason not to go down the path of a two state solution if that's what the majority of Palestinians and Israeli's agree to.
What other options are there...bad actors or not.

A one state solution ?

Treat everyone as an equal - a bit radical I know..... give every within the Israel border citizenship

Wouldn't that be something. Honestly, I'd actually get to see the parting of the Red Sea before that happens!

[Oliver Hardy]

skwdenyer said:

s1962a said:

Iran says it will respond to any attack with severe force. Considering all their toy drones were shot down, what exactly are they going to retaliate with thats going to have the allies worried?

Their hypersonic missiles might be an issue, if they work.

There are many who doubt Iran has a hypersonic missile ?

And haven't Ukraine manage to shoot down Russian hypersonic missiles using Patriot?

[hidetheelephants]

Oliver Hardy said:

skwdenyer said:

s1962a said:

Iran says it will respond to any attack with severe force. Considering all their toy drones were shot down, what exactly are they going to retaliate with thats going to have the allies worried?

Their hypersonic missiles might be an issue, if they work.

There are many who doubt Iran has a hypersonic missile ?

And haven't Ukraine manage to shoot down Russian hypersonic missiles using Patriot?

Hypersonic missiles; for when ballistic missiles aren't a big enough waste of money.

[JJJ.]

s1962a said:

Not to derail the thread, but there is already one running for Israel-Gaza.

Yeah, yeah. But it's gives me an opportunity to repeat myself over and over again!

[crofty1984]

vaud said:

Car bon said:

Mr Penguin said:

Depends on the scale and particular religion. A fundamentalist Quaker government wouldn't be too bad.

Unless you like cars....

You are mixing up Quakers and the Amish - Quakers have fully embraced technology including cars.

Where do they stand on porridge?

[otolith]

crofty1984 said:

vaud said:

Car bon said:

Mr Penguin said:

Depends on the scale and particular religion. A fundamentalist Quaker government wouldn't be too bad.

Unless you like cars....

You are mixing up Quakers and the Amish - Quakers have fully embraced technology including cars.

Where do they stand on porridge?

Up to their ankles, I assume.

[vaud]

crofty1984 said:

vaud said:

Car bon said:

Mr Penguin said:

Depends on the scale and particular religion. A fundamentalist Quaker government wouldn't be too bad.

Unless you like cars....

You are mixing up Quakers and the Amish - Quakers have fully embraced technology including cars.

Where do they stand on porridge?

I don't know if they have ever watched it, or if they were a fan of Ronnie Barker.

[J4CKO]

Netanyahu used to seem fairly measured and reasonable based on my limited knowledge, but he seems to have gone "full retard" of late, I know it was triggered by the horrendous events in October, but ffs man calm down a bit, take a step back.

Anyone else think that all the main players in the world, the ones that are causing all the agro are just too old and have limited skin in the game, i.e. lifespan left to live ? And are possibly suffering age related brain issues, dont want to insult older folk, in no spring chicken but surely there should be a cut off point ? National retirement age is 67 but mental dictators keep on going until they keel over.

Putin 71
Netanyahu 74
Ali Khamenei 84
Joe Biden 81

Kim in NK is quite young at 40 but wont see old age being morbidly obese, a heavy smoker and a boozer and a bit mental, he probably feels st and ill all the time, and has nuclear weapons. Imagine being his doc and having to tell him he needs to lose weight, stop smoking and drinking ?

[s1962a]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13312873/...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2...

So it looks like Iran might be getting help from Russia, which could explain why they don't seem to be backing down.

[Oakey]

s1962a said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13312873/...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2...

So it looks like Iran might be getting help from Russia, which could explain why they don't seem to be backing down.

So, Iran, Russia, NK and China Vs the West then?

[Mr Penguin]

Curious collection of governments who shouldn't get on but do for now. I assume MI6 and the CIA are busy causing mischief with those relationships to make things fall apart sooner rather than later.

[S600BSB]

vaud said:

crofty1984 said:

vaud said:

Car bon said:

Mr Penguin said:

Depends on the scale and particular religion. A fundamentalist Quaker government wouldn't be too bad.

Unless you like cars....

You are mixing up Quakers and the Amish - Quakers have fully embraced technology including cars.

Where do they stand on porridge?

I don't know if they have ever watched it, or if they were a fan of Ronnie Barker.

Thank you for that!

[J4CKO]

Mr Penguin said:

Curious collection of governments who shouldn't get on but do for now. I assume MI6 and the CIA are busy causing mischief with those relationships to make things fall apart sooner rather than later.

Have said before its needs must, the losers club, always makes me think of "Bottom", Richie who has no friends cosying up to Eddie and his two social outcast mates, Dave Hedgehog and Spudgun, the uniting factor being nobody else would have anything to do with them, and if they do its because they might get something out of it, and thats China, India etc.

[ukwill]

Oakey said:

So, Iran, Russia, NK and China Vs the West then?

We didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the world's been turning..

[Flumpo]

s1962a said:

Not to derail the thread, but there is already one running for Israel-Gaza.

A one or two thread solution? That might not even be resolved in a few thousand years.

[isaldiri]

J4CKO said:

Netanyahu used to seem fairly measured and reasonable based on my limited knowledge.....

Exactly when did Netanyahu seem 'fairly measured and reasonable' btw over his career to you?

When he was inciting violence against Rabin prior to the latter being assassinated? Getting into trouble with corruption related investigations in his first term? Undermining the agreed Oslo peace negotiations and process at every turn if possible? Actively helping Hamas to ensure that palestinian support remained divided so he could flaunt the excuses to push back any reasonable negotiation for their own state? Getting into all many of shenanigans to avoid even more corruption related investigations in his later terms...? Or do you need more examples.....

[ukwill]

isaldiri said:

J4CKO said:

Netanyahu used to seem fairly measured and reasonable based on my limited knowledge.....

Exactly when did Netanyahu seem 'fairly measured and reasonable' btw over his career to you?

When he was inciting violence against Rabin prior to the latter being assassinated? Getting into trouble with corruption related investigations in his first term? Undermining the agreed Oslo peace negotiations and process at every turn if possible? Actively helping Hamas to ensure that palestinian support remained divided so he could flaunt the excuses to push back any reasonable negotiation for their own state? Getting into all many of shenanigans to avoid even more corruption related investigations in his later terms...? Or do you need more examples.....

He's had terrorists on his doorstep chucking rockets at the population he's in charge of for quite some time. Not too many people would remain fairly measured and reasonable in similar situations. Hamas took power and murdered their own opposition with gay abandon over the next several years - they do that to their own people! It was only relatively recently they had to slightly "westernise" their charter to remove the "we're definitely going to kill lots of jews" narrative that has been their entire grift all along. Tens of billions of dollars have flooded into Palestine over the past few decades. Subsequently, Haniyeh and his cronies are billionaires and live the opulent life in Qatar whilst ordinary Palestinians have seen no real change. Make it make sense.