Tenerife Protests
Discussion
J4CKO said:
Slight lack of self awareness there ?
Not seen the story but sounds like he moved there and now is moaning about people moving there ?
Surely That cause should really have a Spaniard at the helm ?
Anyway, three weeks today will be going and seeing how welcome we are. Its weird though, they promote tourism and take the tourist dollar for years, sell property to tourists and then moan about it, not sure what the economy on Tenerife would be like without tourism which makes up 80 percent of its revenue ?
You make a Faustian pact, dont be surprised when the devil calls to collect....
But does this not happen all over the place, Lake District, Wales, they want you to come then moan about crowds, don't want cars, new things opening...Not seen the story but sounds like he moved there and now is moaning about people moving there ?
Surely That cause should really have a Spaniard at the helm ?
Anyway, three weeks today will be going and seeing how welcome we are. Its weird though, they promote tourism and take the tourist dollar for years, sell property to tourists and then moan about it, not sure what the economy on Tenerife would be like without tourism which makes up 80 percent of its revenue ?
You make a Faustian pact, dont be surprised when the devil calls to collect....
Went skiing in Italy a few years ago, stayed in a family run hotel, owners teenage son was really rude, when commented to his sister who worked there that he seems in a bad mood, she smiled and told me he does not like tourists.
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Saturday 27th April 15:51
Read a bit more about Tenerife, think is more nuanced than just done like tourists, it’s more about the inequality of how the industry is arranged and how it benefits the population.
The big companies that run the all inclusive hotels are the main complaint, terrible salaries and zero hours contracts so I can sort of see their point.
But, it’s coming across as they don’t want tourism, it’s more what’s the point if it’s just a handful of companies and rich individuals getting richer, providing little benefit to those that service that industry.
Maybe intentional as it may make the compqnies want to stop that as people may not book if they don’t feel welcome.
I think the canaries have been popular for a long time but places like Egypt, Turkey and Tunisia have a reputation as being less safe in varying degrees so people have identified them as a suitable alternative.
The big companies that run the all inclusive hotels are the main complaint, terrible salaries and zero hours contracts so I can sort of see their point.
But, it’s coming across as they don’t want tourism, it’s more what’s the point if it’s just a handful of companies and rich individuals getting richer, providing little benefit to those that service that industry.
Maybe intentional as it may make the compqnies want to stop that as people may not book if they don’t feel welcome.
I think the canaries have been popular for a long time but places like Egypt, Turkey and Tunisia have a reputation as being less safe in varying degrees so people have identified them as a suitable alternative.
Oliver Hardy said:
But does this not happen all over the place, Lake District, Wales, they want you to come then moan about crowds, don't want cars, new things opening...
Is there something wrong with wanting controlled tourism?Snowdonia has become ridiculously overcrowded in the last ten years. Used to be lovely but now the kind of people you go to Wales to avoid haveinfested there as well. It's a problem for everyone. The new breed of tourist is inept and irresponsible, so much that Snowdonia has to draft in towtrucks from surrounding counties to remove illegally parked walkers cars. It seems these people bring all the unpleasant habits of the city with them to the country ie drinking, fighting,shoplifting, urinating where they feel like, parking where they feel like, having sex where they feel like etc etc The face of tourism has changed. It used to be you went away to get away from people like that, but noe people like that have discovered they can act the arse on holiday as well. I don't blame the locals in holiday resorts one little bit.
Also...
Venice will be running a trail day trippers €5 tax to try and reduce numbers of tourists
https://www.veneziaunica.it/en/content/venice-acce...
Venice will be running a trail day trippers €5 tax to try and reduce numbers of tourists
https://www.veneziaunica.it/en/content/venice-acce...
119 said:
Doofus said:
119 said:
It’s got nothing to do with tourism from what I gather.
It’s the lack of investment and lack of decent infrastructure to cope with the massive hike in tourism.
And the building of massive hotels in protected land.
It’s a small island.
A 'massive hike in tourism' and 'massive hotels' sound like they very much are to do with tourism.It’s the lack of investment and lack of decent infrastructure to cope with the massive hike in tourism.
And the building of massive hotels in protected land.
It’s a small island.
Time for your meds again grandad.
r3g said:
119 said:
Doofus said:
119 said:
It’s got nothing to do with tourism from what I gather.
It’s the lack of investment and lack of decent infrastructure to cope with the massive hike in tourism.
And the building of massive hotels in protected land.
It’s a small island.
A 'massive hike in tourism' and 'massive hotels' sound like they very much are to do with tourism.It’s the lack of investment and lack of decent infrastructure to cope with the massive hike in tourism.
And the building of massive hotels in protected land.
It’s a small island.
Time for your meds again grandad.
popeyewhite said:
Oliver Hardy said:
But does this not happen all over the place, Lake District, Wales, they want you to come then moan about crowds, don't want cars, new things opening...
Is there something wrong with wanting controlled tourism?Snowdonia has become ridiculously overcrowded in the last ten years. Used to be lovely but now the kind of people you go to Wales to avoid haveinfested there as well. It's a problem for everyone. The new breed of tourist is inept and irresponsible, so much that Snowdonia has to draft in towtrucks from surrounding counties to remove illegally parked walkers cars. It seems these people bring all the unpleasant habits of the city with them to the country ie drinking, fighting,shoplifting, urinating where they feel like, parking where they feel like, having sex where they feel like etc etc The face of tourism has changed. It used to be you went away to get away from people like that, but noe people like that have discovered they can act the arse on holiday as well. I don't blame the locals in holiday resorts one little bit.
If they don't want people to come they should stop advertising and encouraging tourism, go to the North Wales tourist board and you will find loads of information telling you to come to Snowdonia (or whatever they call it these days)
https://www.visitsnowdonia.info
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFwFIJtWWmI&ab...
There are leaflets in service stations giving you ideas what do do then they whine about cars and to many people.
When people weren't coming during COVID they were crying about lost business, in Snowdonia and Tenerife
Tenerife want to introduce tourist tax
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tenerife-tourist-tax-cou...
Tourists are being blamed for environmental damage, poor wages and locals being unable to get cheap housing. How does tourism to blame for poor wages?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tenerife-tourist-tax-cou...
Tourists are being blamed for environmental damage, poor wages and locals being unable to get cheap housing. How does tourism to blame for poor wages?
As another poster mentioned, there's a lot more to the island than the tourist south but don't tell anyone so I can continue to enjoy it 
Spent a wonderful 5 weeks over Christmas in an apartment block with Spanish neighbours in a town where nobody spoke English but still wanted to chat....a lot..to me.
Good for my fledgling Spanish.
And being in a working class roughish town, eating out and drink were ridiculously cheap.
Euro for a beer in some bars.
I did pop into Costa Adeje for a look see and it was my idea of hell.
Pissed up Brits racing around on motility scooters, tats everywhere, Irish pubs, Full English Breakfasts, and just so crowded.
I'd planned to stop for a coffee or beer but ended up hightailing it back to my car and headed for the mountains and a small streetside cafe for un bocadillo con jamón y queso y una cerveza. El precio? Tres Euros.
Adiós
Spent a wonderful 5 weeks over Christmas in an apartment block with Spanish neighbours in a town where nobody spoke English but still wanted to chat....a lot..to me.
Good for my fledgling Spanish.
And being in a working class roughish town, eating out and drink were ridiculously cheap.
Euro for a beer in some bars.
I did pop into Costa Adeje for a look see and it was my idea of hell.
Pissed up Brits racing around on motility scooters, tats everywhere, Irish pubs, Full English Breakfasts, and just so crowded.
I'd planned to stop for a coffee or beer but ended up hightailing it back to my car and headed for the mountains and a small streetside cafe for un bocadillo con jamón y queso y una cerveza. El precio? Tres Euros.
Adiós
I've stayed in El Medano.
I briefly went into a tourist part as our shuttle bus drove through (mountain biking from the top!).
Majorca sadly has aspects of the worst of British. Why do people get pissed in airports at 7am before flying off on holiday? THAT I can't understand. Maybe as a squaddie but with your family?!
I briefly went into a tourist part as our shuttle bus drove through (mountain biking from the top!).
Majorca sadly has aspects of the worst of British. Why do people get pissed in airports at 7am before flying off on holiday? THAT I can't understand. Maybe as a squaddie but with your family?!
Hugo Stiglitz said:
I've stayed in El Medano.
I briefly went into a tourist part as our shuttle bus drove through (mountain biking from the top!).
Majorca sadly has aspects of the worst of British. Why do people get pissed in airports at 7am before flying off on holiday? THAT I can't understand. Maybe as a squaddie but with your family?!
I really don't get why people go on holiday just to spend it in a bar drunk. My 21 year old niece does that, just come back from Malta, asked her about the place she shrugged, all she did was get smashed on vodka all day and night.I briefly went into a tourist part as our shuttle bus drove through (mountain biking from the top!).
Majorca sadly has aspects of the worst of British. Why do people get pissed in airports at 7am before flying off on holiday? THAT I can't understand. Maybe as a squaddie but with your family?!
croyde said:
As another poster mentioned, there's a lot more to the island than the tourist south but don't tell anyone so I can continue to enjoy it
Spent a wonderful 5 weeks over Christmas in an apartment block with Spanish neighbours in a town where nobody spoke English but still wanted to chat....a lot..to me.
Good for my fledgling Spanish.
And being in a working class roughish town, eating out and drink were ridiculously cheap.
Euro for a beer in some bars.
I did pop into Costa Adeje for a look see and it was my idea of hell.
Pissed up Brits racing around on motility scooters, tats everywhere, Irish pubs, Full English Breakfasts, and just so crowded.
I'd planned to stop for a coffee or beer but ended up hightailing it back to my car and headed for the mountains and a small streetside cafe for un bocadillo con jamón y queso y una cerveza. El precio? Tres Euros.
Adiós
Shush croyde. Don't mention the north and let everyone from the UK continue enjoying their 'paradise' areas of costa adeje and los cristianos......Spent a wonderful 5 weeks over Christmas in an apartment block with Spanish neighbours in a town where nobody spoke English but still wanted to chat....a lot..to me.
Good for my fledgling Spanish.
And being in a working class roughish town, eating out and drink were ridiculously cheap.
Euro for a beer in some bars.
I did pop into Costa Adeje for a look see and it was my idea of hell.
Pissed up Brits racing around on motility scooters, tats everywhere, Irish pubs, Full English Breakfasts, and just so crowded.
I'd planned to stop for a coffee or beer but ended up hightailing it back to my car and headed for the mountains and a small streetside cafe for un bocadillo con jamón y queso y una cerveza. El precio? Tres Euros.
Adiós
Oliver Hardy said:
Firstly is there something wrong with controlled tourism, well yes, how do you decide who should be able to come, maybe you should stay away.
I don't think you have read my post properly. It's the nature of the casual tourist that has changed along with the numbers. I think most destinations are now coming to realise tourism must be controlled in some way. This is akin to the back and forth over landlords/rent here, the wealth inequality discussion around inherited wealth vs opportunity to earn it.
The whole thing in Tenerife and other such places has been benign and a mutually beneficial, scratch each others back scenario for decades so what has changed?
Well 50% of homes now being bought by foreigners and 25% price increases in a year or something like that?
So if you have a working population that mainly works in tourism and can eek out a life where they were born all is well in the world, they don't dwell or look beyond that situation? There are obviously rich people but we like our simple life it's fine, they do them, we do us.
If you have a working population that mainly works in tourism and can't eek out a life where they were born, they do start taking a look at why this has changed? Why are these rich people from abroad able/allowed to buy all our properties and extract some of the wealth and it's no longer spread around sufficiently to us, such that our lives now have a much worse outlook.
From afar many take the pompous view, they are lucky to have us, we get cheap holidays they get an economy, only I suspect only some rich people there benefit, probably a lot of the tourist places just like the homes now are owned by non Tenerife citizens?
This is all fine until you forget about en masses the "people's" declining situation, all these trillions of dollars/pound/yen over the decades etc etc are going somewhere and those with more are pricing out those with less?
Despite it seeming like it's cutting of their nose to spite their face, if you are born into a scenario where your life is just to work and serve others with no hope of a home or family life then eventually you rise up in some fashion at the futility/injustice of your situation?
The whole thing in Tenerife and other such places has been benign and a mutually beneficial, scratch each others back scenario for decades so what has changed?
Well 50% of homes now being bought by foreigners and 25% price increases in a year or something like that?
So if you have a working population that mainly works in tourism and can eek out a life where they were born all is well in the world, they don't dwell or look beyond that situation? There are obviously rich people but we like our simple life it's fine, they do them, we do us.
If you have a working population that mainly works in tourism and can't eek out a life where they were born, they do start taking a look at why this has changed? Why are these rich people from abroad able/allowed to buy all our properties and extract some of the wealth and it's no longer spread around sufficiently to us, such that our lives now have a much worse outlook.
From afar many take the pompous view, they are lucky to have us, we get cheap holidays they get an economy, only I suspect only some rich people there benefit, probably a lot of the tourist places just like the homes now are owned by non Tenerife citizens?
This is all fine until you forget about en masses the "people's" declining situation, all these trillions of dollars/pound/yen over the decades etc etc are going somewhere and those with more are pricing out those with less?
Despite it seeming like it's cutting of their nose to spite their face, if you are born into a scenario where your life is just to work and serve others with no hope of a home or family life then eventually you rise up in some fashion at the futility/injustice of your situation?
From another topic..........some googled quotes.
"The current protests in the Canary islands are about a similar issue, the residents can't live in their own country whilst "Foreigners bought half of the houses sold in the Canary Islands in 2022. The Canary Islands have become an ideal destination for people looking for a second home and investment. In fact, the sale and purchase of homes by foreigners accounted for 52% of all transactions in 2022"
Also "The Canary Islands have the highest rising house prices in Spain, going up by 22.5 percent in 2023, according to Fotocasa, with most of the properties being bought by people from abroad"
"Residents living in the holiday destination say too much tourism is damaging the environment, driving down wages and squeezing locals out of the housing market.
Some local people say they have been forced to sleep in their cars or even in caves."
"The current protests in the Canary islands are about a similar issue, the residents can't live in their own country whilst "Foreigners bought half of the houses sold in the Canary Islands in 2022. The Canary Islands have become an ideal destination for people looking for a second home and investment. In fact, the sale and purchase of homes by foreigners accounted for 52% of all transactions in 2022"
Also "The Canary Islands have the highest rising house prices in Spain, going up by 22.5 percent in 2023, according to Fotocasa, with most of the properties being bought by people from abroad"
"Residents living in the holiday destination say too much tourism is damaging the environment, driving down wages and squeezing locals out of the housing market.
Some local people say they have been forced to sleep in their cars or even in caves."
That is bad.
Looking on AirBnB, a lot of the rentals in Tenerife are run/owned by non Canarians.
The town I stayed in, oop North, had a lot of homeless, drunks and druggies wandering around and some of the other towns I visited had very seedy areas.
Obviously, being a Londoner, I felt quite at home but very sad to see nevertheless.
Looking on AirBnB, a lot of the rentals in Tenerife are run/owned by non Canarians.
The town I stayed in, oop North, had a lot of homeless, drunks and druggies wandering around and some of the other towns I visited had very seedy areas.
Obviously, being a Londoner, I felt quite at home but very sad to see nevertheless.
popeyewhite said:
Oliver Hardy said:
Firstly is there something wrong with controlled tourism, well yes, how do you decide who should be able to come, maybe you should stay away.
I don't think you have read my post properly. It's the nature of the casual tourist that has changed along with the numbers. I think most destinations are now coming to realise tourism must be controlled in some way. Edited by Oliver Hardy on Sunday 28th April 14:28
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