Tenerife Protests
Discussion
Hugo Stiglitz said:
donkmeister said:
Just for balance, as a recovering Londoner (it's been over 6 months since I ventured in, even that was zone 3) I used to get pissed off with the tourists too.
There you are, trying to go about your daily business and a Japanese family is shuffling along pointing with amazement at the shop where you get your bread and milk. Then in summer you are trying to get some work done and some Emirate d
head is revving the nuts off his Lambo. Then you have the misfortune of meeting some Mancunians. Mancunians can be spotted a mile off as they are the only variety of northerner to make Londoners appear friendly and gregarious. Generally one of them will be whingeing to another about how Manchester has a thing that London doesn't have.
Ah, back when you didn't need to be a gazillionaire to live, own a car and drive in central London. That was only around the early-noughties too!
Ironically I describe Chorlton in Manchester as a place for Londoners to live. It's not a compliment. There you are, trying to go about your daily business and a Japanese family is shuffling along pointing with amazement at the shop where you get your bread and milk. Then in summer you are trying to get some work done and some Emirate d
head is revving the nuts off his Lambo. Then you have the misfortune of meeting some Mancunians. Mancunians can be spotted a mile off as they are the only variety of northerner to make Londoners appear friendly and gregarious. Generally one of them will be whingeing to another about how Manchester has a thing that London doesn't have.Ah, back when you didn't need to be a gazillionaire to live, own a car and drive in central London. That was only around the early-noughties too!
I don't know what it is about Manchester, maybe it's a desire to try and compete with London for the title of "angriest city". When I travel to the NW by train I feel it getting more and more friendly with each stop. Then I have to change at Manchester and it's like everyone was told, five minutes before I arrived, that I'm banging their mum then wiping it off on their bedroom curtains. Then travelling away from Manchester it gets friendlier again.
I would quite like Ian Simpson's penthouse at the top of the Beetham Tower, mind.
Scootersp said:
That sounds like a reasonable balance? or a balance more in line with protecting to some degree the rights of the Thai people?
It won't allow a complete "outside capital" takeover, it will try and let you do your thing, but have a eye on the fact that this needs to fundamentally benefit the country/region as much if not more than you? The balance to make it worth your while but not every Tom Dick and Harry's.
As you point out they are happy with basics, but a huge part is that you mention the places to rent are protected, elsewhere, where this doesn't happen is where the problems can start, at the bottom it's a fine line between having enough and contentment vs not enough and destitution/anger?
No idea re Thailand.It won't allow a complete "outside capital" takeover, it will try and let you do your thing, but have a eye on the fact that this needs to fundamentally benefit the country/region as much if not more than you? The balance to make it worth your while but not every Tom Dick and Harry's.
As you point out they are happy with basics, but a huge part is that you mention the places to rent are protected, elsewhere, where this doesn't happen is where the problems can start, at the bottom it's a fine line between having enough and contentment vs not enough and destitution/anger?
I do know that they’ve had an influx of Russians >250,000 to the city of Pattaya.
We have had a lot as well. They have bought up land, opened businesses etc.
See my comments re deportation: they are top of the list.
In Bali it’s an incredibly complex situation. A lot of Balinese own land so have wealth in terms of assets but not always in cash.
During COVID I built a bar and got 18 months free rent plus a ridiculously low figure for the total five years. We also bought land (we can buy freehold, if not Indonesian it has to be leasehold) and are building villas. That was very much a covid price for the land.
I would bet the family have spent that money already and that land has now gone from the family forever….. next generation might well be very angry re this?
It’s really interesting living in a dynamic place during a boom time.
I have been toying with retiring to Tenerife soonish and am in my third year of learning Spanish.
Can't possibly afford to retire in my own country so the Canaries were looking an attractive option.
Reading these threads is making me think twice now
Still, I guess there'll be plenty of room on those flights to Rwanda.
Can't possibly afford to retire in my own country so the Canaries were looking an attractive option.
Reading these threads is making me think twice now
Still, I guess there'll be plenty of room on those flights to Rwanda.
croyde said:
I have been toying with retiring to Tenerife soonish and am in my third year of learning Spanish.
Can't possibly afford to retire in my own country so the Canaries were looking an attractive option.
Reading these threads is making me think twice now
Still, I guess there'll be plenty of room on those flights to Rwanda.
We've been going on holiday there almost every year for the last dozen or so years. Inevitably when we're out there we'll look at house prices in the estate agents windows. It's become prohibitively expensive to buy property. Can't possibly afford to retire in my own country so the Canaries were looking an attractive option.
Reading these threads is making me think twice now
Still, I guess there'll be plenty of room on those flights to Rwanda.
popeyewhite said:
Huge migrant problem in Tenerife now as well. Over 12000 so far this year I believe. By November last year a record 32000 (Guardian).
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