Funeral pyres here in the UK?

[Herman Toothrot]

thinfourth2 said:

thehawk said:

hairykrishna said:

How is this 'killing our society'? What exactly is 'our society'?

Our society is one that should be advancing, not one that should go back to ancient funeral rites to satisfy a heebeegeebee man. We are a modern society, not some primitive bunch of people that live in a village.

Yes and sticking someone in a wooden box and then burying them in the ground while we all pretend to talk to our invisible friend in the sky is so modern isn't it

The last member of family that died we buried in a field that had no association to any religious faith, just a field in the countryside a mile or so from the nearest house (the owner of the land has permission to let people be buried on his land). Burying bodies is a good way of getting rid of them without consuming fuel or adding to the old CO2 output all the greenies rant about. Nothing religious about it at all, just sensible, no fuss, easy option. Farmer / landowner can still use the field for graze his livestock on so win all round, its not even a "waste" of a field.

[Don]

Jasandjules said:

Bing o said:

Oh what a surprise, another immigrant trying to change our laws - if you don't like it, fk off back to Uganda.

How much longer will this crap go on for???

Actually, I can't see a problem with it regardless of the religious aspect.... After all, I'd LOVE to have a viking funeral meself.

Me too. fk off great pyre, big sword laid on my chest. The wife weeping and wailing before throwing the torch into the kindling. Whoomph!

Bit of drama to the whole thing.

Might be interesting enough a few people would come along to watch. Given my body would be of no further use to me it sounds like an excellent idea to give a few people some entertainment with it (respectfully, of course).

[MK4 Slowride]

Well it'll be a new business oppourtunity for us in the UK. I'm going to set a business up so no one else is allowed capish!

We'll provide different levels of Burial to increase 'Wow' & 'Win' for your send off.

Gold = Viking burial, big fkoff pyre (guranteed 10hour burn or 10% of your money back). Beer & Pork orders of the day.
Silver = Roundhead burial, not such a big fkoffpyre but a good 6 hours worth. Beer & Pork in lesser amounts & quality to that of Gold.
Bronze = Caveman burial, get thrown into a rubbish bin and some chav sets it on fire. No beer or Pork, fireservice charge you for the callout.

What ya think eh?

[RDMcG]

Turbo5 said:

Wouldn't it smell of cooking body parts ? Its bad enough smelling obnoxious odours from takeaways and now they want us to smell their 82 year old granny being char grilled tandoori style.

Surprisingly not, in my experience. I have spent some time in Varanasi on the Ganges where the funeral pyres never stop and hundreds are cremated daily. A well built fire consumes virtually everything. It seemed strange to me, but after a week there, it was all quite normal.

[Don]

MK4 Slowride said:

Well it'll be a new business oppourtunity for us in the UK. I'm going to set a business up so no one else is allowed capish!

We'll provide different levels of Burial to increase 'Wow' & 'Win' for your send off.

Gold = Viking burial, big fkoff pyre (guranteed 10hour burn or 10% of your money back). Beer & Pork orders of the day.
Silver = Roundhead burial, not such a big fkoffpyre but a good 6 hours worth. Beer & Pork in lesser amounts & quality to that of Gold.
Bronze = Caveman burial, get thrown into a rubbish bin and some chav sets it on fire. No beer or Pork, fireservice charge you for the callout.

What ya think eh?

I can see the slogan now...

AdvertisingLiterature said:

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Let TheBigSendOff arrange your ultra-cool funeral ceremony! We'll sort out the hog roast and dispose of your remains at the same time! Want a Viking Longship burnt - hell, it's only money and you can't take it with you! Fancy firing your ashes into orbit? We've got the fireworks for you!

If you want we can even arrange the all new Alka Seltzer Special and dissolve your corpse in front of your admiring mourners!

Why bore your friends to death - when you can entertain them with yours!

We know YOU won't be around when you need our services - so buy in advance. Come see us today! Remember - It's never too soon to plan for the inevitable!

[RDMcG]

Hunter S THompson, the gonzo journalist, killed himself and his ashes were fired from a large cannon after a major debauch at his ranch. Possibilities for fireside events are endless....

[FarleyRusk]

Sounds like a stupid idea to me. What a stupid man for suggesting it at a time that there is a backlash against immigration brewing. No need to draw attention to the differences - better celebrate the somilarities between the respective cultures. A love of curry for example

[Saddle bum]

It could encourage the practice of Sutee, as an added bit of entertainment for the chav classes.

[Bing o]

Don said:

Jasandjules said:

Bing o said:

Oh what a surprise, another immigrant trying to change our laws - if you don't like it, fk off back to Uganda.

How much longer will this crap go on for???

Actually, I can't see a problem with it regardless of the religious aspect.... After all, I'd LOVE to have a viking funeral meself.

Me too. fk off great pyre, big sword laid on my chest. The wife weeping and wailing before throwing the torch into the kindling. Whoomph!

Bit of drama to the whole thing.

Might be interesting enough a few people would come along to watch. Given my body would be of no further use to me it sounds like an excellent idea to give a few people some entertainment with it (respectfully, of course).

But at least we can claim that Viking death rites are part of our culture and heritage, what the fk has Hinduism ever done for us?

(I don't have an issue with anyone's religion, but changng our laws to cater for people who choose to live here is just not cricket IMHO)

[Don]

Bing o said:

Don said:

Jasandjules said:

Bing o said:

Oh what a surprise, another immigrant trying to change our laws - if you don't like it, fk off back to Uganda.

How much longer will this crap go on for???

Actually, I can't see a problem with it regardless of the religious aspect.... After all, I'd LOVE to have a viking funeral meself.

Me too. fk off great pyre, big sword laid on my chest. The wife weeping and wailing before throwing the torch into the kindling. Whoomph!

Bit of drama to the whole thing.

Might be interesting enough a few people would come along to watch. Given my body would be of no further use to me it sounds like an excellent idea to give a few people some entertainment with it (respectfully, of course).

But at least we can claim that Viking death rites are part of our culture and heritage, what the fk has Hinduism ever done for us?

(I don't have an issue with anyone's religion, but changng our laws to cater for people who choose to live here is just not cricket IMHO)

The law that says you have to burn people in a crematorium was only introduced in the 1930s. It's not a long standing British Belief that you have to go to a crematorium to be burnt.

Besides. If I want to get burnt on a funeral pyre wherever the feck I like why shouldn't I? People can get married wherever they want these days (if there's a licence) why shouldn't they have their funerals wherever they want too (given a suitable licence). If I want to get buried in a hessian bag in a field (with the farmer's permission) why shouldn't I? If I want to float down the river on a burning longboat? Why not?

There's no issue with public health - they've shown that with the cow burning business. So what's the problem?

I don't give a st if the bloke's Hindu. He's not curtailing any of MY freedoms via his request? In fact I support him in it. Just so long as you don't have to be Hindu to be allowed to be burnt wherever the fk you want (given a licence).

[mechsympathy]

Don said:

Just so long as you don't have to be Hindu to be allowed to be burnt wherever the fk you want (given a licence).

Amen to that. I want to be covered in optimax and have a bloke push a big red starter button

[hairykrishna]

Bing o said:

But at least we can claim that Viking death rites are part of our culture and heritage, what the fk has Hinduism ever done for us?

(I don't have an issue with anyone's religion, but changng our laws to cater for people who choose to live here is just not cricket IMHO)

I'm no fan of Jeebus and in fact consider myself very religiously intolerant. BUT religion and nationality are not the same thing. The bloke in the article is Ugandan but there are loads of British born Hindus.

As I said above - why does it matter what's done with bodies after death? Anywhere you're allowed to burn garden waste in your garden you should be allowed to burn a corpse. After it's been signed off as dead, no suspicious circumstances etc, by a doctor.

Where's the harm?

Edited by hairykrishna on Monday 23 March 17:28

[Balmoral Green]

I couldn't care less, let folks get on with it if they want.

In fact I've been giving this some thought over the last few days since the funeral cortège post, and I have decided that I won't even be having a funeral. I carry a donor card and I'm on the donor register, and anything else that is left can go to science or medical school or kebabs or whatever, so there will be no body to dispose off. I shan't bother with a service either, I don't see the point.

It will be a case of just informing people that I'm dead, and the job's done.

[GPSS]

Symbolica said:

Bing o said:

Because the silent majority of white, Christian/Agnostic/Atheist people have had enough of having this PC human rights st shoved down our throats - our society is being killed by a vocal minority, and to be honest, we have had enough.

Who is this "silent majority" that you seem to keen to rope in with your arguement? Because the vast majority of White British people that I know seem to be pretty tolerant of other peoples beliefs...

If they want to have funeral pyres then I'm perfectly ok with it (subject to proper control & safety legislation, etc.), so feel free to not speak for all of us when you spew your bile.

Im one of the silent majority who think that there are far to many black and asian people in this country, and that their customs and cultures are being pandered too, at the expense of our own white British culture. Im wondering if you and the white people you know have ever lived in a black or asian area of Britain? I ask because I suspect there are a fair number of PH'ers that could be forming their pro non white immigrant opinions, while living in ivory towers.

[hairykrishna]

GPSS said:

Im one of the silent majority who think that there are far to many black and asian people in this country, and that their customs and cultures are being pandered too, at the expense of our own white British culture. Im wondering if you and the white people you know have ever lived in a black or asian area of Britain? I ask because I suspect there are a fair number of PH'ers that could be forming their pro non white immigrant opinions, while living in ivory towers.

Can we stop referring to 'the silent majority'. It implies that most people in the country are racist idiots. How about 'vocal minority' - it seems to describe them/you much more accurately.

I don't know what you mean by black or asian area. I used to live in Balsall Heath which has a fairly large asian population. It had a much nicer atmosphere than some of the areas with a much lower asian population, also in Birmingham, which I have lived in.

[bitwrx]

Bing o said:

Oh what a surprise, another immigrant trying to change our laws - if you don't like it, fk off back to Uganda.

How much longer will this crap go on for???

You do realise why the Ugandan Asians ended up here don't you? And how they ended up in Uganda in the first place?

[Saddle bum]

hairykrishna said:

GPSS said:

Im one of the silent majority who think that there are far to many black and asian people in this country, and that their customs and cultures are being pandered too, at the expense of our own white British culture. Im wondering if you and the white people you know have ever lived in a black or asian area of Britain? I ask because I suspect there are a fair number of PH'ers that could be forming their pro non white immigrant opinions, while living in ivory towers.

Can we stop referring to 'the silent majority'. It implies that most people in the country are racist idiots. How about 'vocal minority' - it seems to describe them/you much more accurately.

I don't know what you mean by black or asian area. I used to live in Balsall Heath which has a fairly large asian population. It had a much nicer atmosphere than some of the areas with a much lower asian population, also in Birmingham, which I have lived in.

I suspect the perceived wisdom is that if one is white and expresses an opinion on the erosion of English/Anglo-Saxon culture, that person is automatically considered a racialist. Well it just ain't so. Most of the indegenous population happen to appreciate the traditions moulded over centuries by christian culture and do not wish for change to be foisted upon them by a noisy gang of incomers with alien cultures aided and abetted by a fifth column of PC camp-followers who are hell bent on changing our way of life for ever.

[Chainguy]

Simpo Two said:

Aowhs102 said:

I hope that the vast majority of people on PH would regonise the contribution the Hindi comunity has made to the UK

Assume they don't, and educate them.


As for funeral pyres, it would be a very handy way to dispose of murder victims and other embarassing bodies before the police can investigate.

A couple of years ago, I watched a brilliant documentary on Channel 4 (a channel set up specifically with the mandate to promote ethnic and sexual minorities in the UK) where a reformed heroin addict, now a lecturer at Salford University, explained all about how the explosion of cheap 'brown' as he called it, is due to the Hindi community getting the boot out of Uganda by Idi Amin and bringing into the UK whatever they could transport that was small and easy, and could be turned into ready cash. Documented fact apparently. The chap had written a book on it that I'm sure those more in tune with current academia could find if they wished.

So, if we're having the good, we need to have the bad as well. Let us judge contributuons from an open book. Only fair.

With regards to the pyres, I am not in favour. Another lovely 3rd world import. Something the UK is getting increasingly good at.

[Fabric 2.2]

Wouldn't bother me if it was allowed in remote designated areas, where there smell/smoke/ash will dissipate harmlessly. In back gardens however, they can sod off.


Surely you lot would rather the funny coloured people with weird beliefs didn't fill up all the spots reserved for us Brits in graveyards anyway...?

[anonymous-user]

GPSS said:

Im one of the silent majority who think that there are far to many black and asian people in this country, and that their customs and cultures are being pandered too, at the expense of our own white British culture. Im wondering if you and the white people you know have ever lived in a black or asian area of Britain? I ask because I suspect there are a fair number of PH'ers that could be forming their pro non white immigrant opinions, while living in ivory towers.

Firstly, the UK is still 92% white, so I think that saying there are "far too many" black and asian people around is a bit strong. And, whilst I haven't lived in an area with a majority black or asian population, a general lack of money has meant that I've lived in some of the more ethnically diverse (ie poor as hell) bits of Cardiff and Southampton. I've lived among, and worked with immigrants for many years now, so there's no ivory tower views from my corner.

Saddle bum said:

I suspect the perceived wisdom is that if one is white and expresses an opinion on the erosion of English/Anglo-Saxon culture, that person is automatically considered a racialist. Well it just ain't so.

Agreed. But incidentally, being Welsh I don't appreciate you pesky Anglo-Saxons coming across here and diluting our culture. I think you should sod off back to where you came from