Will Brown give Argentina the Falklands?

Will Brown give Argentina the Falklands?

Poll: Will Brown give Argentina the Falklands?

Total Members Polled: 527

Yes: He will and rightly so: 3%
Yes: He will because he is a t*at: 17%
No: He won't but should: 1%
No: Not even Brown is that stupid: 20%
He had better f***ing Not: 59%
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BiggusLaddus

821 posts

232 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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JonRB said:
Perhaps, but you completely fail to address the point of mine that you're quoting. I'm sure the Queen has class, integrity, respect and gravitas. But all those are largely irrelevant in this particular case; would she see it as an acceptable risk to test-case her notional titular power against parliament? I suspect not as everyone concerned knows that the monarchy are a Paper Tiger.
I have no doubt in my mind that there is legislative contingency for pulling a monarch's teeth should they try and throw their notional weight around.

Edited by JonRB on Thursday 26th March 09:49
As I understand it (although I can't remember where I got it from) she has an absolute veto that she can use on anything that is brought before her. But if she chooses to use it then she would constitutionally required to abducate.

s2art

18,938 posts

254 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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BiggusLaddus said:
JonRB said:
Perhaps, but you completely fail to address the point of mine that you're quoting. I'm sure the Queen has class, integrity, respect and gravitas. But all those are largely irrelevant in this particular case; would she see it as an acceptable risk to test-case her notional titular power against parliament? I suspect not as everyone concerned knows that the monarchy are a Paper Tiger.
I have no doubt in my mind that there is legislative contingency for pulling a monarch's teeth should they try and throw their notional weight around.

Edited by JonRB on Thursday 26th March 09:49
As I understand it (although I can't remember where I got it from) she has an absolute veto that she can use on anything that is brought before her. But if she chooses to use it then she would constitutionally required to abducate.
AFAIK thats not true. Although if the monarch did exercise his/her powers it may cause a constitutional crisis. Remember Queen Liz did force a government to have a general election once, Australia in the '70's. I assume she could do the same in Britain without any abdication problem.

Mikeyboy

5,018 posts

236 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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s2art said:
BiggusLaddus said:
JonRB said:
Perhaps, but you completely fail to address the point of mine that you're quoting. I'm sure the Queen has class, integrity, respect and gravitas. But all those are largely irrelevant in this particular case; would she see it as an acceptable risk to test-case her notional titular power against parliament? I suspect not as everyone concerned knows that the monarchy are a Paper Tiger.
I have no doubt in my mind that there is legislative contingency for pulling a monarch's teeth should they try and throw their notional weight around.

Edited by JonRB on Thursday 26th March 09:49
As I understand it (although I can't remember where I got it from) she has an absolute veto that she can use on anything that is brought before her. But if she chooses to use it then she would constitutionally required to abducate.
AFAIK thats not true. Although if the monarch did exercise his/her powers it may cause a constitutional crisis. Remember Queen Liz did force a government to have a general election once, Australia in the '70's. I assume she could do the same in Britain without any abdication problem.
One of the reasons I believe that the Heath government folded was the fact that the Queen advised him that she would call an election if he did not do so himself.
Also I believe that in theory the government cannot force a monarch to abdicate but can only advise it as in theory they work for her not the other way around, so there is no constitutional imperative for any action she takes to lead to abdication. Governments would merely use the leverage of mass resignation to force the case if needed.

tinman0

18,231 posts

241 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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BiggusLaddus said:
As I understand it (although I can't remember where I got it from) she has an absolute veto that she can use on anything that is brought before her. But if she chooses to use it then she would constitutionally required to abducate.
Never read the abdicate bit. It would cause a constitutional crisis though, and it would probably end the monarchy in its current form within 20 years.

JRM

2,043 posts

233 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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odyssey2200 said:
mybrainhurts said:
I can imagine the Argies crossing out Falklands and inserting Scotland, as the dumbfuk signs after scanning it with his duff eye...
would we fight to get that back?getmecoat
Maybe we could swap Scotland for The Falklands - wasn't there a rumour of lots of oil down there a few year back - we must have used up the Scottish reserves by now!


only kidding by the way, don't get your knickers in a twist!



armynick

631 posts

262 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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MrV said:
Other than the fact the islanders want to stay with us has oil been found there yet ?
My understanding is that there is oil in the area but we don't have the means to get at it.

It's a also a natrual harbour in an enviromentaly hostile area, near to other areas of interest. There isn't anywhere else in that region which can be used as such.

s2art

18,938 posts

254 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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tinman0 said:
BiggusLaddus said:
As I understand it (although I can't remember where I got it from) she has an absolute veto that she can use on anything that is brought before her. But if she chooses to use it then she would constitutionally required to abducate.
Never read the abdicate bit. It would cause a constitutional crisis though, and it would probably end the monarchy in its current form within 20 years.
Depends how she handled it. If she just called for (forced) an election, based upon her oath to the people, then is anyone going to ask for the end of the monarchy? Seems to me that the general public would back the Queen rather than a politician.

JonRB

74,754 posts

273 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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Mikeyboy said:
Governments would merely use the leverage of mass resignation to force the case if needed.
What, you mean voluntarily get their trotters and snouts out of the gravy trough? wink

Fittster

20,120 posts

214 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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At what point will MI5 step in to resolve the situation.


tinman0

18,231 posts

241 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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s2art said:
tinman0 said:
BiggusLaddus said:
As I understand it (although I can't remember where I got it from) she has an absolute veto that she can use on anything that is brought before her. But if she chooses to use it then she would constitutionally required to abducate.
Never read the abdicate bit. It would cause a constitutional crisis though, and it would probably end the monarchy in its current form within 20 years.
Depends how she handled it. If she just called for (forced) an election, based upon her oath to the people, then is anyone going to ask for the end of the monarchy? Seems to me that the general public would back the Queen rather than a politician.
Ah sorry. Should explain.

It would end the monarchy, not just her reign, within 20 years because the next Labour Govt would create a Republic. The lefties would never let the "toffs" get away with it.

Don

28,377 posts

285 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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Brown's not going to give away the Falklands.

It's marginally more likely that he will start a war with Argentina over them to improve his political ratings.

Either of these options will happen just slightly after hell freezes over.

No need to worry.

ChapppeRS

4,483 posts

192 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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Perhaps, as has probably been mentioned, we could sell the Falklands for 500bn or so? I certainly wouldn't miss them.

Chris71

21,536 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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ChapppeRS said:
Perhaps, as has probably been mentioned, we could sell the Falklands for 500bn or so?
Hmmm. scratchchin

Suddenly the idea doesn't sound so bad after all.

The question is, would the potential oil revenue for British firms exceed that?

M3crab

1,732 posts

186 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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Didn't bother to read all the posts, but trust me the Argies have no chance of attacking the Islands. There are more than enough assets down there to see off any attack they could put together.

ChapppeRS

4,483 posts

192 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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Chris71 said:
ChapppeRS said:
Perhaps, as has probably been mentioned, we could sell the Falklands for 500bn or so?
Hmmm. scratchchin

Suddenly the idea doesn't sound so bad after all.

The question is, would the potential oil revenue for British firms exceed that?
I might also email france and see if they fancy the Isle of Wight for 100bn too. What other land could we sell? Wales?

dirty boy

14,706 posts

210 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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Chris71 said:
ChapppeRS said:
Perhaps, as has probably been mentioned, we could sell the Falklands for 500bn or so?
Hmmm. scratchchin

Suddenly the idea doesn't sound so bad after all.

The question is, would the potential oil revenue for British firms exceed that?
Major oil and gas prospects have been identified with a mid-estimate, unrisked recoverable oil potential exceeding 3.5 billion barrels and gas over 9 trillion cubic feet.

It's pretty remote unfortunately, so the oil price has to be relatively high to make it economic, not only to risk a drilling program, but to set up the infrastructure to get it from the Falklands to the mainland.

That's just in the North, the South could possibly contain a whole lot more, but the conditions are worse and the sea is much deeper, increasing the risk and difficulty.

Fingers crossed though..

... I have a large proportion of my money invested in that 'potential' paperbag


Martial Arts Man

6,601 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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ChapppeRS said:
Chris71 said:
ChapppeRS said:
Perhaps, as has probably been mentioned, we could sell the Falklands for 500bn or so?
Hmmm. scratchchin

Suddenly the idea doesn't sound so bad after all.

The question is, would the potential oil revenue for British firms exceed that?
I might also email france and see if they fancy the Isle of Wight for 100bn too. What other land could we sell? Wales?
rofl

Don't be so silly......who in their right mind would want to buy Wales? biggrin

drivin_me_nuts

17,949 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th March 2009
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Martial Arts Man said:
ChapppeRS said:
Chris71 said:
ChapppeRS said:
Perhaps, as has probably been mentioned, we could sell the Falklands for 500bn or so?
Hmmm. scratchchin

Suddenly the idea doesn't sound so bad after all.

The question is, would the potential oil revenue for British firms exceed that?
I might also email france and see if they fancy the Isle of Wight for 100bn too. What other land could we sell? Wales?
rofl

Don't be so silly......who in their right mind would want to buy Wales? biggrin
The French. We can PX it for two baguettes, a nice smoked cheese and a string of onions. Failing that, we can build a bridge to Wales and enjoy extensive incomes from drivers paying £ hundreds to leave Wales and pennies to enter ..

(No welsh peoples were hurt during the production of this posting. The odd leek perhaps, but no Welsh)

Langweilig

4,330 posts

212 months

Saturday 28th March 2009
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groucho

12,134 posts

247 months

Saturday 28th March 2009
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A MILF politician.