How did this get to court?

[DamoLLb]

esselte said:

DamoLLb said:

randomman said:

WHat happens if you put a male serial rapist in a locked room with a serial female rapist?

The law does not recognise a female rapist.

Really ?

My mistake, I was just quoting my old lecturer. I would have thought she would have been convicted of Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent? at what point did she use her penis to penatrate?

[V8S]

He's been cleared.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090326/tuk-too-drunk...

No mention of her name. Surprise surprise.

[JagLover]

It will do down in the statistics as yet another reported 'rape' without a conviction.

Obviously the law should be changed further to increase the numbers of such vile 'rapists' convicted

[ianash]

A bloody disgrace, she should be made to pay him massive compensation. I guess he'll get sod all then. Also the bloody genius at the CPS who decided this case was winable, should be named and shamed and put on school crossing duty.

[Swilly]

Cases like this always make one think.

Consider this guys...

You are at a mate's house-party, you get blotto, really drunk, you wake in the morning and can barely remember much of the night before, you have a banging headache, your mouth feels like old carpet and...

...oh jeez, your ass-hole feels like its been shredded and it feels sticky !!

You turn around in bed and there is a bloke lying there, your mate, looking pretty much as bad as you feel.

Any cause for concern !?

[GTIR]

Swilly said:

Cases like this always make one think.

Consider this guys...

You are at a mate's house-party, you get blotto, really drunk, you wake in the morning and can barely remember much of the night before, you have a banging headache, your mouth feels like old carpet and...

...oh jeez, your ass-hole feels like its been shredded and it feels sticky !!

You turn around in bed and there is a bloke lying there, your mate, looking pretty much as bad as you feel.

Any cause for concern !?

yes, its not your mate. In the haze you realise its your dad

[ukwill]

GTIR said:

ukwill said:

GTIR said:

As far as I am concerned you should never have sex with a woman if she is pissed (not tipsy), especially if she is unconscious through alcohol, and more so if you hardly know her. Full stop.

If you do your a prat.

what about if you are both w@nkered (as in this case?)

Never!

Its just not worth the risk, and anyway surely you should have more respect for the lady you are with?

I have been in this situation before, and even in my wkered state I was man enough to realise it was not right.
Next morning mind we were at it like rabbits!

And it wasnt even easter, although I did have some chocolate....

You and me have clearly have a different definition for the term "w@nkered".

[Carreauchompeur]

Swilly said:

Cases like this always make one think.

Consider this guys...
You are at a mate's house-party, you get blotto, really drunk, you wake in the morning and can barely remember much of the night before, you have a banging headache, your mouth feels like old carpet and...
...oh jeez, your ass-hole feels like its been shredded and it feels sticky !!
You turn around in bed and there is a bloke lying there, your mate, looking pretty much as bad as you feel.
Any cause for concern !?

Fair comment, it does sound rather worse turned on its head.

I still simply understand how this got into Court. There must have been some other factor which has not been reported in the media. I've dealt with numerous similar cases and they are exceptionally difficult to conclusively prove/disprove.

[Landlord]

Cara Van Man said:

<grabs balaclava and heads to old people home>

[s3fella]

45 minutes for a group of 12 people, with no (or little) legal training to throw this crock of crap and waste of taxpayers cash out.

I hope someone in the CPS get's a new one ripped for this nonsense.

[JagLover]

s3fella said:

45 minutes for a group of 12 people, with no (or little) legal training to throw this crock of crap and waste of taxpayers cash out.

I hope someone in the CPS get's a new one ripped for this nonsense.

They are just doing their masters' bidding. It is constantly emphasised that only 6% of reported rapes end in a conviction. By Labour reasoning then in the other 94% of cases the 'rapist' escaped scot free. The fact that many women seem to be withdrawing consent retrospectively seems to escape them.

[bobbylondonuk]

here is an idea....if the law finds the man not guilty...then the man should sue the tits off this woman...make sure she pays for his lifestyle...cos his life is screwed/finito...doesnt matter if he is innocent, he will never get laid again or have a relationship.

So if there is a possibility of a suit hanging on her head for compensation...this should be fun..if she decides to lose her job and get on benefits..then her assets have to be attached.

Wonder how far she will take it..now this is a protection for men who get in st!

Vote commonsense party!

[cornishgirl]

If at some time in the future the man applies for a job and a condition of appointment is to have a CRB check will this case apppear on the search, or now that he has been found 'not guilty' are the records modified to exclude all reference?

[esselte]

cornishgirl said:

If at some time in the future the man applies for a job and a condition of appointment is to have a CRB check will this case apppear on the search, or now that he has been found 'not guilty' are the records modified to exclude all reference?

Don't know about that but his fingerprints and DNA will now be on the database..

[Carreauchompeur]

cornishgirl said:

If at some time in the future the man applies for a job and a condition of appointment is to have a CRB check will this case apppear on the search, or now that he has been found 'not guilty' are the records modified to exclude all reference?

AFAIK it would not show in a standard CRB check as it isn't a conviction. However I think it would show up on an "enhanced" CRB check, ie working with children, vulnerable people..

All it would take is a call from the relevant vetting department to the Officer In Case to set the record straight.

For example, I had a case last year where the chap was arrested on suspicion of murder due to basically being in the wrong place at the wrong time... Was never charged, not through it being "unprovable" but basically because he was innocent in whole affair and was actually a very nice bloke. He has since applied to join another force and I've had a few calls from their vetting department because, obviously, it's a bit of a concern! Will not be a problem whatsoever so long as it's explained.

[Carreauchompeur]

Sorry, further to the above he will now have a permanent record on the PNC which will include the rape allegation as a not guilty disposal. However, this could potentially be used as "Bad character" evidence if any further similar matters came to light...

[Zen.]

bobbylondonuk said:

here is an idea....if the law finds the man not guilty...then the man should sue the tits off this woman...make sure she pays for his lifestyle...cos his life is screwed/finito...doesnt matter if he is innocent, he will never get laid again or have a relationship.

So if there is a possibility of a suit hanging on her head for compensation...this should be fun..if she decides to lose her job and get on benefits..then her assets have to be attached.

Wonder how far she will take it..now this is a protection for men who get in st!

Vote commonsense party!

The downside to that is, rape is very hard to prove, already many genuine victims don't report the crime, I'd rather see anonimty for all until a case is proven, in addition I'd like to see a 'case not proven verdict' as I know there are cases where the guilty have walked free, which for me is very dangerous as the guilty party walks away thinking that what they did was ok.

For those who make false allegations, which are be proven to be so, then yes compensation.

[esselte]

Zen. said:

as I know there are cases where the guilty have walked free,

How do you "know" this...?

[Slagathore]

So, his friend is already at the house and they invite him over. The friend later leaves, leaving the drunk bloke with the drunk woman.

Could she not have just asked him to leave when the other person left? Or asked the other person to stay the night aswell, so as not to give the wrong impression to the other guy?

[tinman0]

Carreauchompeur said:

Sorry, further to the above he will now have a permanent record on the PNC which will include the rape allegation as a not guilty disposal. However, this could potentially be used as "Bad character" evidence if any further similar matters came to light...

But we can't have it both ways. Remember all the red flags that Ian Huntley was putting up for instance? And many PHers want more red flags, not less. So of course this will be recorded.