Almost the time to dissolve Parliament?
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s2art said:
The power to dissolve Parliament
A dissolution of Parliament is the device that triggers a General Election. Only the Queen can dissolve Parliament and she has the power so to act at any time, for any reason, or for none. Normally the Queen will dissolve Parliament only on the advice of the Prime Minister. But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
In 1974 Prime Minister Harold Wilson called a second election following a very narrow victory over his Conservative opponents a few months earlier. It has been made clear since that the Queen was under no obligation to grant this request for an election. The Queen had the power to tell Wilson that the people had only recently been asked to vote and that their decision should be respected, that it was up to him to find a way to make his minority government work. In the event she granted his wish and he was returned with a small majority.
In 1990, when Margaret Thatcher was going through her prolonged removal from office at the hands of her parliamentary colleagues, there were real fears that she would out-maneuver them by calling an election. The Queen would have been within her 'rights' to deny such a request on the grounds that it was self-serving, and not in the interests of the country.
The power to dismiss the Government
Legally, the Queen has the power to dismiss the Government at any time and for any reason or for none. No exercise of this power could be struck down by any court of law. This power was last exercised in the United Kingdom by William IV in 1834, but it remains in place. It was exercised with devastating effect in 1975 in Australia.
Perhaps you could point us to the source.A dissolution of Parliament is the device that triggers a General Election. Only the Queen can dissolve Parliament and she has the power so to act at any time, for any reason, or for none. Normally the Queen will dissolve Parliament only on the advice of the Prime Minister. But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
In 1974 Prime Minister Harold Wilson called a second election following a very narrow victory over his Conservative opponents a few months earlier. It has been made clear since that the Queen was under no obligation to grant this request for an election. The Queen had the power to tell Wilson that the people had only recently been asked to vote and that their decision should be respected, that it was up to him to find a way to make his minority government work. In the event she granted his wish and he was returned with a small majority.
In 1990, when Margaret Thatcher was going through her prolonged removal from office at the hands of her parliamentary colleagues, there were real fears that she would out-maneuver them by calling an election. The Queen would have been within her 'rights' to deny such a request on the grounds that it was self-serving, and not in the interests of the country.
The power to dismiss the Government
Legally, the Queen has the power to dismiss the Government at any time and for any reason or for none. No exercise of this power could be struck down by any court of law. This power was last exercised in the United Kingdom by William IV in 1834, but it remains in place. It was exercised with devastating effect in 1975 in Australia.
Shuvi said:
fuctifino said:
Shuvi said:
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.
Errm, actually the Queen can. In fact its her duty to do so if the situation is such that leaving the incumbents in is bad for Britain. She did precisely this in Australia in the '70's.The Queen retains certain residual powers, notably to appoint a prime minister, (One having been elected normally) and to decide whether or not to grant a dissolution of Parliament.
Shuvi said:
s2art said:
The power to dissolve Parliament
A dissolution of Parliament is the device that triggers a General Election. Only the Queen can dissolve Parliament and she has the power so to act at any time, for any reason, or for none. Normally the Queen will dissolve Parliament only on the advice of the Prime Minister. But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
In 1974 Prime Minister Harold Wilson called a second election following a very narrow victory over his Conservative opponents a few months earlier. It has been made clear since that the Queen was under no obligation to grant this request for an election. The Queen had the power to tell Wilson that the people had only recently been asked to vote and that their decision should be respected, that it was up to him to find a way to make his minority government work. In the event she granted his wish and he was returned with a small majority.
In 1990, when Margaret Thatcher was going through her prolonged removal from office at the hands of her parliamentary colleagues, there were real fears that she would out-maneuver them by calling an election. The Queen would have been within her 'rights' to deny such a request on the grounds that it was self-serving, and not in the interests of the country.
The power to dismiss the Government
Legally, the Queen has the power to dismiss the Government at any time and for any reason or for none. No exercise of this power could be struck down by any court of law. This power was last exercised in the United Kingdom by William IV in 1834, but it remains in place. It was exercised with devastating effect in 1975 in Australia.
Perhaps you could point us to the source.A dissolution of Parliament is the device that triggers a General Election. Only the Queen can dissolve Parliament and she has the power so to act at any time, for any reason, or for none. Normally the Queen will dissolve Parliament only on the advice of the Prime Minister. But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
In 1974 Prime Minister Harold Wilson called a second election following a very narrow victory over his Conservative opponents a few months earlier. It has been made clear since that the Queen was under no obligation to grant this request for an election. The Queen had the power to tell Wilson that the people had only recently been asked to vote and that their decision should be respected, that it was up to him to find a way to make his minority government work. In the event she granted his wish and he was returned with a small majority.
In 1990, when Margaret Thatcher was going through her prolonged removal from office at the hands of her parliamentary colleagues, there were real fears that she would out-maneuver them by calling an election. The Queen would have been within her 'rights' to deny such a request on the grounds that it was self-serving, and not in the interests of the country.
The power to dismiss the Government
Legally, the Queen has the power to dismiss the Government at any time and for any reason or for none. No exercise of this power could be struck down by any court of law. This power was last exercised in the United Kingdom by William IV in 1834, but it remains in place. It was exercised with devastating effect in 1975 in Australia.
http://www.republic.org.uk/britishconstitution/ind...
But there are plenty of other places to get the facts as described.
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
s2art said:
The power to dissolve Parliament
A dissolution of Parliament is the device that triggers a General Election. Only the Queen can dissolve Parliament and she has the power so to act at any time, for any reason, or for none. Normally the Queen will dissolve Parliament only on the advice of the Prime Minister. But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
In 1974 Prime Minister Harold Wilson called a second election following a very narrow victory over his Conservative opponents a few months earlier. It has been made clear since that the Queen was under no obligation to grant this request for an election. The Queen had the power to tell Wilson that the people had only recently been asked to vote and that their decision should be respected, that it was up to him to find a way to make his minority government work. In the event she granted his wish and he was returned with a small majority.
In 1990, when Margaret Thatcher was going through her prolonged removal from office at the hands of her parliamentary colleagues, there were real fears that she would out-maneuver them by calling an election. The Queen would have been within her 'rights' to deny such a request on the grounds that it was self-serving, and not in the interests of the country.
The power to dismiss the Government
Legally, the Queen has the power to dismiss the Government at any time and for any reason or for none. No exercise of this power could be struck down by any court of law. This power was last exercised in the United Kingdom by William IV in 1834, but it remains in place. It was exercised with devastating effect in 1975 in Australia.
Perhaps you could point us to the source.A dissolution of Parliament is the device that triggers a General Election. Only the Queen can dissolve Parliament and she has the power so to act at any time, for any reason, or for none. Normally the Queen will dissolve Parliament only on the advice of the Prime Minister. But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
In 1974 Prime Minister Harold Wilson called a second election following a very narrow victory over his Conservative opponents a few months earlier. It has been made clear since that the Queen was under no obligation to grant this request for an election. The Queen had the power to tell Wilson that the people had only recently been asked to vote and that their decision should be respected, that it was up to him to find a way to make his minority government work. In the event she granted his wish and he was returned with a small majority.
In 1990, when Margaret Thatcher was going through her prolonged removal from office at the hands of her parliamentary colleagues, there were real fears that she would out-maneuver them by calling an election. The Queen would have been within her 'rights' to deny such a request on the grounds that it was self-serving, and not in the interests of the country.
The power to dismiss the Government
Legally, the Queen has the power to dismiss the Government at any time and for any reason or for none. No exercise of this power could be struck down by any court of law. This power was last exercised in the United Kingdom by William IV in 1834, but it remains in place. It was exercised with devastating effect in 1975 in Australia.
http://www.republic.org.uk/britishconstitution/ind...
But there are plenty of other places to get the facts as described.
She CANNOT just decide to dissolve A Parliament we the people have elected.
Edited by Shuvi on Saturday 28th March 00:07
Shuvi said:
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
s2art said:
The power to dissolve Parliament
A dissolution of Parliament is the device that triggers a General Election. Only the Queen can dissolve Parliament and she has the power so to act at any time, for any reason, or for none. Normally the Queen will dissolve Parliament only on the advice of the Prime Minister. But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
In 1974 Prime Minister Harold Wilson called a second election following a very narrow victory over his Conservative opponents a few months earlier. It has been made clear since that the Queen was under no obligation to grant this request for an election. The Queen had the power to tell Wilson that the people had only recently been asked to vote and that their decision should be respected, that it was up to him to find a way to make his minority government work. In the event she granted his wish and he was returned with a small majority.
In 1990, when Margaret Thatcher was going through her prolonged removal from office at the hands of her parliamentary colleagues, there were real fears that she would out-maneuver them by calling an election. The Queen would have been within her 'rights' to deny such a request on the grounds that it was self-serving, and not in the interests of the country.
The power to dismiss the Government
Legally, the Queen has the power to dismiss the Government at any time and for any reason or for none. No exercise of this power could be struck down by any court of law. This power was last exercised in the United Kingdom by William IV in 1834, but it remains in place. It was exercised with devastating effect in 1975 in Australia.
Perhaps you could point us to the source.A dissolution of Parliament is the device that triggers a General Election. Only the Queen can dissolve Parliament and she has the power so to act at any time, for any reason, or for none. Normally the Queen will dissolve Parliament only on the advice of the Prime Minister. But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
In 1974 Prime Minister Harold Wilson called a second election following a very narrow victory over his Conservative opponents a few months earlier. It has been made clear since that the Queen was under no obligation to grant this request for an election. The Queen had the power to tell Wilson that the people had only recently been asked to vote and that their decision should be respected, that it was up to him to find a way to make his minority government work. In the event she granted his wish and he was returned with a small majority.
In 1990, when Margaret Thatcher was going through her prolonged removal from office at the hands of her parliamentary colleagues, there were real fears that she would out-maneuver them by calling an election. The Queen would have been within her 'rights' to deny such a request on the grounds that it was self-serving, and not in the interests of the country.
The power to dismiss the Government
Legally, the Queen has the power to dismiss the Government at any time and for any reason or for none. No exercise of this power could be struck down by any court of law. This power was last exercised in the United Kingdom by William IV in 1834, but it remains in place. It was exercised with devastating effect in 1975 in Australia.
http://www.republic.org.uk/britishconstitution/ind...
But there are plenty of other places to get the facts as described.
She CANNOT just decide to dissolve A Parliament we the people have elected.
Shuvi said:
I'll give you that only she can dissolve a Parliament outside of one that has run its course, but she can only do so at the request of the PM of the day. Even then as a courtesy she is asked,
She CANNOT just decide to dissolve A Parliament we the people have elected.
Could you please point me to a source for your comment.........taShe CANNOT just decide to dissolve A Parliament we the people have elected.
Shuvi said:
fuctifino said:
Shuvi said:
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.
Errm, actually the Queen can. In fact its her duty to do so if the situation is such that leaving the incumbents in is bad for Britain. She did precisely this in Australia in the '70's.The Queen retains certain residual powers, notably to appoint a prime minister, (One having been elected normally) and to decide whether or not to grant a dissolution of Parliament.
She has the absolute right to ORDER, not grant, a dissolution of Parliament and should the PM of the day refuse to follow the Queen's order then the military would be called out in full battle order, I can assure you.
The courtesy comes from the monarch not being involved in the day to day running of parliament, this is carried out by her 'First Minister' who reports to the Queen weekly, being summoned to Buck House to do so.
As for electing a Prime Minister, this is done by the majority party in parliament, following a general election he must go to the Queen and formally request her permission to form a government.
That's how it works.
I swore an allegiance to the crown, I didn't swear an allegiance to the government.
If it was to kick off despite the fact I hate the monarchy I swore I would defend the queen.
I would defend her maj and I would protect this country against the elected idiots.
Bizarre as I am a republican.
If it was to kick off despite the fact I hate the monarchy I swore I would defend the queen.
I would defend her maj and I would protect this country against the elected idiots.
Bizarre as I am a republican.
Edited by Sheets Tabuer on Saturday 28th March 00:11
Sheets Tabuer said:
I swore an allegiance to the crown, I didn't not swear an allegiance to the government.
If it was to kick off despite the fact I hate the monarchy I swore I would defend the queen.
I would defend her maj and I would protect this country against the elected idiots.
My point exactly. HM is The Boss, not some temporary incumbent in Westminster.If it was to kick off despite the fact I hate the monarchy I swore I would defend the queen.
I would defend her maj and I would protect this country against the elected idiots.
From your source: But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
Hence the Parliament act of 1911. Which goes unmentioned but is very real and means she CANNOT on a whim dissolve Parliament.
Hence the Parliament act of 1911. Which goes unmentioned but is very real and means she CANNOT on a whim dissolve Parliament.
Sheets Tabuer said:
I swore an allegiance to the crown, I didn't swear an allegiance to the government.
If it was to kick off despite the fact I hate the monarchy I swore I would defend the queen.
I would defend her maj and I would protect this country against the elected idiots.
Bizarre as I am a republican.
Perhaps the thought of President Blair (or Thatcher depending on your politics) might make you think again regarding republics. I think we have the best of both worlds, with the Queen acting as a safety mechanism that would only be used in extremis.If it was to kick off despite the fact I hate the monarchy I swore I would defend the queen.
I would defend her maj and I would protect this country against the elected idiots.
Bizarre as I am a republican.
Edited by Sheets Tabuer on Saturday 28th March 00:11
Shuvi said:
From your source: But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
Hence the Parliament act of 1911. Which goes unmentioned but is very real and means she CANNOT on a whim dissolve Parliament.
Again..........Could you please point me to a source for your comment, a link would be nice Hence the Parliament act of 1911. Which goes unmentioned but is very real and means she CANNOT on a whim dissolve Parliament.
ExChrispy Porker said:
Shuvi said:
Since the Parliament Act of 1911, the life of the United Kingdom Parliament extends to five years, unless dissolved sooner by the Sovereign at the request of the Prime Minister.
And who the f
k ( pardon ma'am) do you think appoints the Prime Minister in the first place?Shuvi said:
From your source: But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
Hence the Parliament act of 1911. Which goes unmentioned but is very real and means she CANNOT on a whim dissolve Parliament.
Wrong again. How many times do you need telling? A parliament act cannot override the Sovereigns powers. It takes a constitutional crisis and a new settlement to do that.Hence the Parliament act of 1911. Which goes unmentioned but is very real and means she CANNOT on a whim dissolve Parliament.
Sheets Tabuer said:
I swore an allegiance to the crown, I didn't swear an allegiance to the government.
If it was to kick off despite the fact I hate the monarchy I swore I would defend the queen.
I would defend her maj and I would protect this country against the elected idiots.
Bizarre as I am a republican.
Here here. I wandered around bedecked in crowns for long enough too.If it was to kick off despite the fact I hate the monarchy I swore I would defend the queen.
I would defend her maj and I would protect this country against the elected idiots.
Bizarre as I am a republican.
Edited by Sheets Tabuer on Saturday 28th March 00:11
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