£5000 subsidy for electric cars.
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Randy Winkman said:
s2art said:
Randy Winkman said:
I dont have a problem with the Government doing something to encourage this to happen as I think it is in all our interests.
LOL! Where does that stop then? turbobloke said:
Various things
Yes - if the scientists said that it was reasonable to walk from London to Glasgow carrying a double bass they are a bit silly.I agree it is up to us to select the mode of transport we prefer - that's what I said.
I cant think of any journey's I do where the Government legislates which mode of transport I use. Although, it does of course set the various taxes which affect each mode of transport, but I think this idea has been around for ages. I think Labour did significantly up the taxes on flying, but I wonder if the Conservatives will lower them? I think Cameron is a bit of a Greenie, so I'm not sure.
Speaking generally - dependency culture is catching, but the country can't afford it any more even if it was worthwhile, which it isn't.
"Perhaps the most bizarre aspect on this Alistair in Wonderland Budget was the amount of time spent on green energy. Voters might have thought that with the economy in meltdown there were more immediate priorities."
The music of life. Meltdown Brown, Slugbrows are tone deaf.
"Perhaps the most bizarre aspect on this Alistair in Wonderland Budget was the amount of time spent on green energy. Voters might have thought that with the economy in meltdown there were more immediate priorities."
The music of life. Meltdown Brown, Slugbrows are tone deaf.
s2art said:
Randy Winkman said:
s2art said:
Randy Winkman said:
I dont have a problem with the Government doing something to encourage this to happen as I think it is in all our interests.
LOL! Where does that stop then? Randy Winkman said:
turbobloke said:
Speaking generally - dependency culture is catching
People with fat arses dependent on their cars instead of walking. And I pay for them to go to the doctors and be made better.By your way of reckoning if you're not a motorist then you shouldn't become ill as compared to drivers you haven't paid enough tax to get yourself fixed.
Randy Winkman said:
So you're (s2art) waiting for a Government that doesn't actually do anything are you?
A government like that could do nothing wrong.What I imagine was referred to, was a government that doesn't think it knows best so doesn't interfere and over-regulate in a nannystatist politically correct pettyfogging haze of over-zealous legislation and control freakery plus subsidies for white elephants at enormous cost through big government and to no net benefit.
turbobloke said:
Randy Winkman said:
turbobloke said:
Speaking generally - dependency culture is catching
People with fat arses dependent on their cars instead of walking. And I pay for them to go to the doctors and be made better.By your way of reckoning if you're not a motorist then you shouldn't become ill as compared to drivers you haven't paid enough tax to get yourself fixed.
Randy Winkman said:
So you're waiting for a Government that doesn't actually do anything are you?
It's not exactly a new idea that government should interfere minimally;"The United States Magazine and Democratic Review was a periodical published from 1837–1859 by John L. O'Sullivan. Its motto, 'The best government is that which governs least,' was famously paraphrased by Henry David Thoreau in On the Duty of Civil Disobedience"
turbobloke said:
As it happens, you likely don't. The owners and users of cars pay plenty enough to take care of their own medical bills. Showroom envy tax on prestige cars, VAT on everything - somebody had to pay it as new for others to own as a used car - plus road tax, fuel duty, insurance tax etc all on top of income tax and NI assuming non-doleite, you know the score I'm sure.
By your way of reckoning if you're not a motorist then you shouldn't become ill as compared to drivers you haven't paid enough tax to get yourself fixed.
My girlfriend is a trainee dietician, believe me, chubbers cost us a lot more than they will be paying in road tax etc.By your way of reckoning if you're not a motorist then you shouldn't become ill as compared to drivers you haven't paid enough tax to get yourself fixed.
XitUp said:
turbobloke said:
As it happens, you likely don't. The owners and users of cars pay plenty enough to take care of their own medical bills. Showroom envy tax on prestige cars, VAT on everything - somebody had to pay it as new for others to own as a used car - plus road tax, fuel duty, insurance tax etc all on top of income tax and NI assuming non-doleite, you know the score I'm sure.
By your way of reckoning if you're not a motorist then you shouldn't become ill as compared to drivers you haven't paid enough tax to get yourself fixed.
My girlfriend is a trainee dietician, believe me, chubbers cost us a lot more than they will be paying in road tax etc.By your way of reckoning if you're not a motorist then you shouldn't become ill as compared to drivers you haven't paid enough tax to get yourself fixed.
XitUp said:
turbobloke said:
As it happens, you likely don't. The owners and users of cars pay plenty enough to take care of their own medical bills. Showroom envy tax on prestige cars, VAT on everything - somebody had to pay it as new for others to own as a used car - plus road tax, fuel duty, insurance tax etc all on top of income tax and NI assuming non-doleite, you know the score I'm sure.
By your way of reckoning if you're not a motorist then you shouldn't become ill as compared to drivers you haven't paid enough tax to get yourself fixed.
My girlfriend is a trainee dietician, believe me, chubbers cost us a lot more than they will be paying in road tax etc.By your way of reckoning if you're not a motorist then you shouldn't become ill as compared to drivers you haven't paid enough tax to get yourself fixed.
s2art said:
XitUp said:
turbobloke said:
As it happens, you likely don't. The owners and users of cars pay plenty enough to take care of their own medical bills. Showroom envy tax on prestige cars, VAT on everything - somebody had to pay it as new for others to own as a used car - plus road tax, fuel duty, insurance tax etc all on top of income tax and NI assuming non-doleite, you know the score I'm sure.
By your way of reckoning if you're not a motorist then you shouldn't become ill as compared to drivers you haven't paid enough tax to get yourself fixed.
My girlfriend is a trainee dietician, believe me, chubbers cost us a lot more than they will be paying in road tax etc.By your way of reckoning if you're not a motorist then you shouldn't become ill as compared to drivers you haven't paid enough tax to get yourself fixed.
Meanwhile have electric cars stopped being crap? Scientific term.
turbobloke said:
Get back to us when she's fully trained
OK.s2art said:
I would need to see evidence to support that claim. Does it factor in the reduced lifespan of said chubbers, and thus the savings made on pensions?
That's a good point. As is the one about days of work missed due to ill health etc.Obesity costs the NHS about a billion a year.
State pension is about £100 a week, so £5200 a year. About 30,000 people a year die from diseases caused by obesity, so if we assume they go before taking any pension that's still only £156 million saved.
Then you add on days lost from work, disability benefits etc...
(All very rough figures by the way)
turbobloke said:
Don't tell XitUp but my invitation to wait until the girlfriend is qualified referred to qualifying as an accountant, not dietician. Then she'll spot the double accounting and fanciful guestimates used for this type of propaganda, and maybe even realise that said 'chubbers' are in fact likely to be denied some treatments.
Go on clever clogs, please don't keep us waiting, what do you mean by double accounting in this situation?turbobloke said:
Meanwhile have electric cars stopped being crap? Scientific term.
Yes. Unless you just want to keep reusing that same flawed study with the fanciful notion that the avarge diesel car gets 45% efficiency in real life XitUp said:
turbobloke said:
Don't tell XitUp but my invitation to wait until the girlfriend is qualified referred to qualifying as an accountant, not dietician. Then she'll spot the double accounting and fanciful guestimates used for this type of propaganda, and maybe even realise that said 'chubbers' are in fact likely to be denied some treatments.
Go on clever clogs
How long out of
When NASA sends a rocket to the Moon or launches a Shuttle there's usually somebody around whining about the cost, yet the only expense in lunar landings was fuel burnt in prep and missions, other consumables consumed, and the scrap value of hardware left behind or destroyed on re-entry. The rest remaions on planet Earth in the moneygoround.
As for the NHS, the cost of treating 'chubbers' amounts to the value of any medication used, energy consumed in lighting and heating for operations etc, consumables consumed, and so on. Doctors and nurses and buildings and furniture and equipment are already paid and accounted for so muist be omitted to avoid double accounting - unless they recruit more staff purely for obesity (possible, non-jobs on the 5-a-day gravy train might qualify) or buy stronger beds (alaso possible) then the costs aren't great. If this is a £billion a year then Alistair Darliong is a competent Chancellor and Gordon Brown the best PM ever.
On-costs and on-benefits are another matter as raised by s2art.
People in hospital should be very grateful for motorists driving high miles, including any 'chubbers', as should any future recipients of the subsidy for electric cars paid for by socialist tax-theft.
As for the NHS, the cost of treating 'chubbers' amounts to the value of any medication used, energy consumed in lighting and heating for operations etc, consumables consumed, and so on. Doctors and nurses and buildings and furniture and equipment are already paid and accounted for so muist be omitted to avoid double accounting - unless they recruit more staff purely for obesity (possible, non-jobs on the 5-a-day gravy train might qualify) or buy stronger beds (alaso possible) then the costs aren't great. If this is a £billion a year then Alistair Darliong is a competent Chancellor and Gordon Brown the best PM ever.
On-costs and on-benefits are another matter as raised by s2art.
People in hospital should be very grateful for motorists driving high miles, including any 'chubbers', as should any future recipients of the subsidy for electric cars paid for by socialist tax-theft.
XitUp said:
turbobloke said:
Get back to us when she's fully trained
OK.s2art said:
I would need to see evidence to support that claim. Does it factor in the reduced lifespan of said chubbers, and thus the savings made on pensions?
That's a good point. As is the one about days of work missed due to ill health etc.Obesity costs the NHS about a billion a year.
State pension is about £100 a week, so £5200 a year. About 30,000 people a year die from diseases caused by obesity, so if we assume they go before taking any pension that's still only £156 million saved.
Then you add on days lost from work, disability benefits etc...
(All very rough figures by the way)
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