Hacker to be extradited

[Lefty Guns]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8177561.stm

Conspiracy tt loses his fight. The Daily Mail will be up in arms.

"Don't do the crime etc..." IMO.

[esselte]

Heard him on the radio the other day (with his mum?),the excuses/reasons he was coming out with were pretty weak to say the least.

Edited by esselte on Friday 31st July 13:22

[Marf]

To call him a hacker gives him too much credit. He merely wrote a programme which identified all the machines in the NASA network that had no password, then accessed them.

This whole thing has been an overblown political exercise by the US. He accessed the NASA systems in the months after 9/11. The US Govt then used the incident as an excuse to garner billions of dollars for their cyber security budget, in line with plans laid out in the PNAC document written prior to Bush being elected.

Edited by Marf on Friday 31st July 13:26

[Eric Mc]

Now, if only they could bring the same weight of the law to bear on all those idiots who think the moon landings were faked.

[Spiritual_Beggar]

Eric Mc said:

Now, if only they could bring the same weight of the law to bear on all those idiots who think the moon landings were faked.

They did lean on this quite a bit didn't they.

Maybe...just maybe.... Mckinnon stumbled onto something the US Gov didnt want people to know!






Or not.

[Marf]

Spiritual_Beggar said:

Maybe...just maybe.... Mckinnon stumbled onto something the US Gov didnt want people to know!

Oh he definitely did that. I'm sure the US did not want people to know that some of their most sensitive systems had no password protection on them and could be accessed by anyone with even the most basic PC skills.

[odyssey2200]

All the US bluster is only to draw our attention away from the fact that the US defences are so fragile.

If a guy can sit in his bedroom and do half of the things that this guy is alleged to have done (taken over a battleship FFS!!)

Should we not be thanking the guy and be far more worried that and real enemy of the west could render the US powerless before any pre emptive strike?

Forget the hacker!!

Be very afraid that the US war machine is easily accessible by your average hacker.

[Marf]

odyssey2200 said:

All the US bluster is only to draw our attention away from the fact that the US defences are so fragile.

If a guy can sit in his bedroom and do half of the things that this guy is alleged to have done (taken over a battleship FFS!!)

Should we not be thanking the guy and be far more worried that and real enemy of the west could render the US powerless before any pre emptive strike?

Forget the hacker!!

Be very afraid that the US war machine is easily accessible by your average hacker.

Exunctly, this is half the reason the US is pursuing the case, they have been utterly embarrassed over it. Worth noting too that McKinnon states that there were a number of other people online in the US systems when he was accessing them, including IP addresses originating in China and Russia. This to me indicates that the US' systems are accessed by outsiders far more than we are ever aware of.

[Halb]

I don't believe he should be sent, Shame the UK has decided to do so.

Isn't the law being applied retroactively?


Seen this?
http://freegary.org.uk/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dpp...

[esselte]

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

[Marf]

esselte said:

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

Its not unfeasable, especially considering what this case has been used to justify, but lets try and not take this discussion into the realms of tinfoilhattery.

[G_T]

esselte said:

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

You can't do that under UK law though so I would have thought if that was the case it would have been harder to have him extradited?

[Marf]

G_T said:

esselte said:

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

You can't do that under UK law though so I would have thought if that was the case it would have been harder to have him extradited?

But thats just it, UK law is irrelevant seeing as he would be tried under US law, where entrapment is entirely legal.

[esselte]

Marf said:

esselte said:

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

Its not unfeasable, especially considering what this case has been used to justify, but lets try and not take this discussion into the realms of tinfoilhattery.

It was just a question...I'm not really into conspiracy theory

[Spiritual_Beggar]

esselte said:

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

Wouldn't that be considered 'entrapment'?

[Marf]

esselte said:

Marf said:

esselte said:

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

Its not unfeasable, especially considering what this case has been used to justify, but lets try and not take this discussion into the realms of tinfoilhattery.

It was just a question...I'm not really into conspiracy theory

Me neither, and I agree, to me your suggestion is not outside the realms of possibility.

[esselte]

Spiritual_Beggar said:

esselte said:

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

Wouldn't that be considered 'entrapment'?

I don't know,I was just posing a question.

[Marf]

As above, entrapment is legal in the US. Although I am unsure if that would have any bearing on an extradition hearing. I'd imagine not given the one sided nature of the agreement that they are using to extradite him.

[G_T]

Marf said:

G_T said:

esselte said:

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

You can't do that under UK law though so I would have thought if that was the case it would have been harder to have him extradited?

But thats just it, UK law is irrelevant seeing as he would be tried under US law, where entrapment is entirely legal.

Whilst I couldn't give a st about the bloke, I think you're right, it does set a dangerous precedent.

Especially seeing as the extradition treaty doesn't work both ways!

[mattviatura]

Here we go again... Big bad nasty yanks..

maybe the quarterwit should have thought about trying to hack into the BLOODY PENTAGON after 9/11 first.

It's a bit like being a burglar in Hereford, probably a bad idea.