Hacker to be extradited

[Nadyenka]

The US Government will just make him work for them.

[Eric Mc]

mattviatura said:

Here we go again... Big bad nasty yanks..

maybe the quarterwit should have thought about trying to hack into the BLOODY PENTAGON after 9/11 first.

It's a bit like being a burglar in Hereford, probably a bad idea.

I think very few people will disagree that he acted like an idiot - Asbergers or not.

The main ptroblem is the discrepancy in the way the extradition treaty works. US citizens are far better protected from being extradited to the UK than UK citizens are to the US - that isn the problem.

[T89 Callan]

This story really winds me up because there is one piece of info that hardly ever gets mentioned, I think I heard it once on a Radio 4 news show IIRC.

After he was caught the US offered him a deal to plead guilty and take 3 years in a UK prison, he would have no-doubt been out in 18 months and probably got special treatment for his mental health issues.

But even though he was caught bang to rights he decided to protest his innocence and now he has been convicted the US are throwing the book at him.

He was caught comitting a serious offence and offered a very lenient sentence and turned it down....

He's made his bed and now he has to lie in it....... for 70 years.

[Pesty]

Eric Mc said:

mattviatura said:

Here we go again... Big bad nasty yanks..

maybe the quarterwit should have thought about trying to hack into the BLOODY PENTAGON after 9/11 first.

It's a bit like being a burglar in Hereford, probably a bad idea.

I think very few people will disagree that he acted like an idiot - Asbergers or not.

The main ptroblem is the discrepancy in the way the extradition treaty works. US citizens are far better protected from being extradited to the UK than UK citizens are to the US - that isn the problem.

Its a problem but 2 wrongs and all that. He did the crime not extraditing him just to stick 2 fingers up at a bad piece of legislation is just daft.

I have no time for him he knew what he was doing. Having his mum turn up on radio 4 all day does not make me think aww well lets let him off and buy him an ice cream.

Edited by Pesty on Friday 31st July 23:51

[Police State]

T89 Callan said:

He was caught comitting a serious offence and offered a very lenient sentence and turned it down....

He's made his bed and now he has to lie in it....... for 70 years.

...and only someone with Aspergers is going to rationlise that as making sense, right? which really underlines the central issue here, which is not that he was offered this and chose to spite his face. The central issue is that the man just doesn't get it; that he has committed a federal crime, to his mind, the law is just 'them' standing in the way of 'his truth'. How do you convince an obsesive compulsive with a very different concepts of right and wrong when compared to 'the norm' that what he does is not in his best interests, when most of the time, he doesn't have a clue what his best interests are. Obama should sort this, yes he can. Shame on our Government; they would sell anyone for the right price.

[Zod]

This case is a horrible example of breaking a butterfly on a wheel. The guy is harmless and did no damage other than exposing some US sysadmins as negligent.

[Eric Mc]

Meanwhile Americans wanted for murder in the UK have a much better chance of not being extradited to the UK.

It is simply not a fair balance between the two countries.

[T89 Callan]

Police State said:

T89 Callan said:

He was caught comitting a serious offence and offered a very lenient sentence and turned it down....

He's made his bed and now he has to lie in it....... for 70 years.

...and only someone with Aspergers is going to rationlise that as making sense, right? which really underlines the central issue here, which is not that he was offered this and chose to spite his face. The central issue is that the man just doesn't get it; that he has committed a federal crime, to his mind, the law is just 'them' standing in the way of 'his truth'. How do you convince an obsesive compulsive with a very different concepts of right and wrong when compared to 'the norm' that what he does is not in his best interests, when most of the time, he doesn't have a clue what his best interests are. Obama should sort this, yes he can. Shame on our Government; they would sell anyone for the right price.

Were do you draw the line with mental health then? If he does have issues then he should have been advised by qualified proffesionals to take the punishment that was offered.
Just becasue someone has problems doesn't mean thy should be free to commit crimes without fear of punishment, the people I have met with disabilities are adament that they should get the same rights as everyone else.... well with the same rights comes the same responsibilities.

........And for fks sake I'm sure Barrack Obama has got more pressing issue than this, I am actually pleased that Obama is concentrating on the job he is being paid to do, not pissing about judging every single crime comitted.

Edited by T89 Callan on Saturday 1st August 02:38

[Jimbeaux]

Eric Mc said:

Now, if only they could bring the same weight of the law to bear on all those idiots who think the moon landings were faked.

[Jimbeaux]

Marf said:

odyssey2200 said:

All the US bluster is only to draw our attention away from the fact that the US defences are so fragile.

If a guy can sit in his bedroom and do half of the things that this guy is alleged to have done (taken over a battleship FFS!!)

Should we not be thanking the guy and be far more worried that and real enemy of the west could render the US powerless before any pre emptive strike?

Forget the hacker!!

Be very afraid that the US war machine is easily accessible by your average hacker.

Exunctly, this is half the reason the US is pursuing the case, they have been utterly embarrassed over it. Worth noting too that McKinnon states that there were a number of other people online in the US systems when he was accessing them, including IP addresses originating in China and Russia. This to me indicates that the US' systems are accessed by outsiders far more than we are ever aware of.

Everyone's systems are accessed far more than anyone knows, China's & Russia's included. Embarrasment is not the reason they are doing this. If it was, just letting it go as opposed to keeping it in the news would be the better route to quiet things. Truly sensitive systems are behind deeper layers of security. They want this guy so they can question how he did it and if he had any collaboration. This will assist in stopping others from getting to something truly sensitive. I say get him over here and hire him, like Las Vegas does to ex cheaters.

[Jimbeaux]

Marf said:

esselte said:

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

Its not unfeasable, especially considering what this case has been used to justify, but lets try and not take this discussion into the realms of tinfoilhattery.

Indeed, but "honeypots" are not tinfoilhattery, they are common defense practices.

[Jimbeaux]

G_T said:

esselte said:

Is it possible that these systems are "honeypots"..y'know systems they leave open deliberately so as to be able to trap people like McKinnon?

You can't do that under UK law though so I would have thought if that was the case it would have been harder to have him extradited?

You don't think those trying to get him are going to admit it was a honeypot, do you?

[Jimbeaux]

Nadyenka said:

The US Government will just make him work for them.

Yes. We learned that from the Russians.

[Jimbeaux]

Pesty said:

Eric Mc said:

mattviatura said:

Here we go again... Big bad nasty yanks..

maybe the quarterwit should have thought about trying to hack into the BLOODY PENTAGON after 9/11 first.

It's a bit like being a burglar in Hereford, probably a bad idea.

I think very few people will disagree that he acted like an idiot - Asbergers or not.

The main ptroblem is the discrepancy in the way the extradition treaty works. US citizens are far better protected from being extradited to the UK than UK citizens are to the US - that isn the problem.

Its a problem but 2 wrongs and all that. He did the crime not extraditing him just to stick 2 fingers up at a bad piece of legislation is just daft.

I have no time for him he knew what he was doing. Having his mum turn up on radio 4 all day does not make me think aww well lets let him off and buy him an ice cream.

Edited by Pesty on Friday 31st July 23:51

True, but I also agree it is overly one-sided legislation. I am all for that with rogue nations, I could care less. However, with "special friends" we should be more balanced.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 1st August 03:53

[Jimbeaux]

Eric Mc said:

Meanwhile Americans wanted for murder in the UK have a much better chance of not being extradited to the UK.

It is simply not a fair balance between the two countries.

I agree, if there are folks here wanted for murder in the U.K. , we should hand them over. Mind, they might get a harsher sentence here though.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 1st August 03:54

[thinfourth2]

T89 Callan said:

This story really winds me up because there is one piece of info that hardly ever gets mentioned, I think I heard it once on a Radio 4 news show IIRC.

After he was caught the US offered him a deal to plead guilty and take 3 years in a UK prison, he would have no-doubt been out in 18 months and probably got special treatment for his mental health issues.

But even though he was caught bang to rights he decided to protest his innocence and now he has been convicted the US are throwing the book at him.

He was caught comitting a serious offence and offered a very lenient sentence and turned it down....

He's made his bed and now he has to lie in it....... for 70 years.

Which shows the worst crime you can commit is to disagree with the state

If he had plead guilty then 3 years in jail if you disagree with them then 70 years in jail

So is that 3 years for the crime and 67 for pleading not guilty

[eccles]

Jimbeaux said:

[


. They want this guy so they can question how he did it and if he had any collaboration. This will assist in stopping others from getting to something truly sensitive.

He committed the offences 7 or 8 years ago, do you really think he still has relevant information?
I would like to think americas computer security has moved on slighty since then!

Edited by eccles on Saturday 1st August 10:00

[Eric Mc]

Jimbeaux said:

Eric Mc said:

Meanwhile Americans wanted for murder in the UK have a much better chance of not being extradited to the UK.

It is simply not a fair balance between the two countries.

I agree, if there are folks here wanted for murder in the U.K. , we should hand them over. Mind, they might get a harsher sentence here though.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 1st August 03:54

True - over here they would get life (read 7 years) and then get out on probation after 3 1/2 years.

In the UK news this morning is a report that, over the past two years, 94 individuals who had been released on probation (or parole as you chaps call it) committed a murder.

So, the UK system is pretty badly flawed.

[T89 Callan]

thinfourth2 said:

T89 Callan said:

This story really winds me up because there is one piece of info that hardly ever gets mentioned, I think I heard it once on a Radio 4 news show IIRC.

After he was caught the US offered him a deal to plead guilty and take 3 years in a UK prison, he would have no-doubt been out in 18 months and probably got special treatment for his mental health issues.

But even though he was caught bang to rights he decided to protest his innocence and now he has been convicted the US are throwing the book at him.

He was caught comitting a serious offence and offered a very lenient sentence and turned it down....

He's made his bed and now he has to lie in it....... for 70 years.

Which shows the worst crime you can commit is to disagree with the state

If he had plead guilty then 3 years in jail if you disagree with them then 70 years in jail

So is that 3 years for the crime and 67 for pleading not guilty

With all guilty plea's the reduced sentence is down to accepting responsibilty for your crime and showing remorse.

He has shown no remorse and accepted no responsibility for his actions, I assume the Yanks believe that if he shows no remorse then he will do it again and again and again so the want him removed from society so he can't re-offend.... the whole poit of prison.

This case is certainly not black & white but I'm annoyed that the media and celebrity wkers he has on his side fail to mention this very important fact that he was offered a very leniant sentence and turned it down even though he was proved to have committed a crime.

He did the crime now he has to do the time.

[Nadyenka]

Jimbeaux said:

Nadyenka said:

The US Government will just make him work for them.

Yes. We learned that from the Russians.

I am glad you learned some thing

I do not think the US Government will want to put him in prison.They will use him to help with defence systems.Why would they waste some one who is valuable to them.They might not be fair but they are not stupid.