Banning the Burqini...
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People can argue the toss re dress code, the reality is the typical westerner greatly dislikes Muslims. This is the case across Western Europe.
You cannot force someone to like you - times will be hard for Muslims, just like it can be hard for westerners in the Middle East, but perception is 'they' bought it on themselves.
I for one think a move to a more secular society would be a better thing.
You cannot force someone to like you - times will be hard for Muslims, just like it can be hard for westerners in the Middle East, but perception is 'they' bought it on themselves.
I for one think a move to a more secular society would be a better thing.
BigLion said:
People can argue the toss re dress code, the reality is the typical westerner greatly dislikes Muslims. This is the case across Western Europe.
You cannot force someone to like you - times will be hard for Muslims, just like it can be hard for westerners in the Middle East, but perception is 'they' bought it on themselves.
I for one think a move to a more secular society would be a better thing.
People like you dislike Muslims. Don't speak for all of us. You cannot force someone to like you - times will be hard for Muslims, just like it can be hard for westerners in the Middle East, but perception is 'they' bought it on themselves.
I for one think a move to a more secular society would be a better thing.
Because you dislike them, you think it's ok to dictate their dress code?
If I disliked Sikhs, should I be able to dictate your dress code?
And if you're going to go on about integration, please do bear in mind that the lady in question was on a crowded beach, doing what all the other people on the beach were doing - chilling out and enjoying the sun, ergo, integrating.
Alpinestars said:
So let me get this right, it's ok to have a dress code as long as you don't find it objectionable (on whatever grounds), but it's not ok for someone to exercise their own free will to dress how they want to?
Your sounding like the big lion now. No religious garb, unless it's my religious garb.
Where do nuns fit into your world?
Think you are due woooshie there.Your sounding like the big lion now. No religious garb, unless it's my religious garb.
Where do nuns fit into your world?
BigLion said:
People can argue the toss re dress code, the reality is the typical westerner greatly dislikes Muslims. This is the case across Western Europe.
Typical westerner greatly dislikes Muslims? Only if typical westerner is member of Pagida, BNL and the like. Don't judge everyone by your own environment, it's not representative.Alpinestars said:
BigLion said:
People can argue the toss re dress code, the reality is the typical westerner greatly dislikes Muslims. This is the case across Western Europe.
You cannot force someone to like you - times will be hard for Muslims, just like it can be hard for westerners in the Middle East, but perception is 'they' bought it on themselves.
I for one think a move to a more secular society would be a better thing.
People like you dislike Muslims. Don't speak for all of us. You cannot force someone to like you - times will be hard for Muslims, just like it can be hard for westerners in the Middle East, but perception is 'they' bought it on themselves.
I for one think a move to a more secular society would be a better thing.
Because you dislike them, you think it's ok to dictate their dress code?
If I disliked Sikhs, should I be able to dictate your dress code?
And if you're going to go on about integration, please do bear in mind that the lady in question was on a crowded beach, doing what all the other people on the beach were doing - chilling out and enjoying the sun, ergo, integrating.
For the last time I'm not sikh, you seem obsessed with trying to make that point - what is it with you and sikhs? Do you have an agenda?
Brexit should show you what the population thinks and that is what I base my view on - reality is many substituted the immigration word for Muslims.
Until you face the reality, how do you tackle the problem?
Alpinestars said:
So let me get this right, it's ok to have a dress code as long as you don't find it objectionable (on whatever grounds), but it's not ok for someone to exercise their own free will to dress how they want to?
Your sounding like the big lion now. No religious garb, unless it's my religious garb.
Where do nuns fit into your world?
No - I don't like the dress code. Hence getting naked and defending the right to wear a burkhini.Your sounding like the big lion now. No religious garb, unless it's my religious garb.
Where do nuns fit into your world?
I was trying to point out that having rules about what people can and can't wear is perfectly aligned with "western" values!!
(I think I am on your side in this!)
jjlynn27 said:
BigLion said:
People can argue the toss re dress code, the reality is the typical westerner greatly dislikes Muslims. This is the case across Western Europe.
Typical westerner greatly dislikes Muslims? Only if typical westerner is member of Pagida, BNL and the like. Don't judge everyone by your own environment, it's not representative.Let's say you held a private vote/poll whereby white people voted:
. Do you like Muslims?
. Do you not like Muslims?
I'd put good money on the outcome and i'm not a gambling man.
227bhp said:
It's a bit of a pointless argument, unless you set up a poll you won't know who does or doesn't like who because we aren't allowed to say openly in today's society. It has nothing to do with any of the extreme groups you outline.
Let's say you held a private vote/poll whereby white people voted:
. Do you like Muslims?
. Do you not like Muslims?
I'd put good money on the outcome and i'm not a gambling man.
Interestingly it certainly appears that people believe OTHER people have a negative view of mulsims.Let's say you held a private vote/poll whereby white people voted:
. Do you like Muslims?
. Do you not like Muslims?
I'd put good money on the outcome and i'm not a gambling man.
That doesn't mean they are right, of course.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36346886/uk-...
"Most people in the UK have a negative view of Islam - 72% agree"
Personally I hope it is just the old racists and that they will eventually die out.
227bhp said:
It's a bit of a pointless argument
You are certainly correct with that assertion.Edited: an interesting article from a female, Muslim perspective.
https://nervana1.org/2016/08/21/the-right-not-to-w...
It's up to the French how they arrange themselves, I am just very pleased that such a ridiculous law could never come to pass here.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 25th August 11:26
Alpinestars said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I'd happily export them to a muslim country but it's to late for that so the French have to make the best of a bad problem. It's to late to close the door now.
That's almost as stupid as exporting Brits who espouse Britishness, but can't spell or use grammar properly. jjlynn27 said:
Typical westerner greatly dislikes Muslims? Only if typical westerner is member of Pagida, BNL and the like.
Seriously? Despite numerous terrorist attacks linked (perhaps spuriously) in one way or another to Muslims you really think it's an extreme view for the ordinary westerner to dislike them? That's kind of like Camerons's ignorance of popular feeling on Brexit or Blair's famous 'despite invading the country we're no more susceptible to terrorist attacks' naivete.walm said:
227bhp said:
It's a bit of a pointless argument, unless you set up a poll you won't know who does or doesn't like who because we aren't allowed to say openly in today's society. It has nothing to do with any of the extreme groups you outline.
Let's say you held a private vote/poll whereby white people voted:
. Do you like Muslims?
. Do you not like Muslims?
I'd put good money on the outcome and i'm not a gambling man.
Interestingly it certainly appears that people believe OTHER people have a negative view of mulsims.Let's say you held a private vote/poll whereby white people voted:
. Do you like Muslims?
. Do you not like Muslims?
I'd put good money on the outcome and i'm not a gambling man.
That doesn't mean they are right, of course.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36346886/uk-...
"Most people in the UK have a negative view of Islam - 72% agree"
Personally I hope it is just the old racists and that they will eventually die out.
Islamaphobia would only be in small minorities at best within the UK - so Muslims obviously love the UK and should have no reason to complain.
Brilliant, let's move onto the next topic rather than waste time discussing things that only a minority view as acceptable.
Why waste
BigLion said:
People can argue the toss re dress code, the reality is the typical westerner greatly dislikes Muslims. This is the case across Western Europe.
Again, source of your research please? Just because you think it, or state it, doesn't make it so.
I work in an office full of "typical" westerners, and we have a good proportion of Muslims (Engineering, "they" all seem to make good engineers). They are not hated, put down, or considered scum/terrorists/dangerous. In fact I've just (yesterday) sent out a job offer letter to a lovely young Muslim lady who was far and away the best candidate we interviewed, she beat white British men and everything. You probably think I'm a traitor.
Edit: I note your profile is handily blank, which to me answers more questions about you than it raises.
Edited by OpulentBob on Thursday 25th August 11:33
Alpinestars said:
So let me get this right, it's ok to have a dress code as long as you don't find it objectionable (on whatever grounds), but it's not ok for someone to exercise their own free will to dress how they want to?
Your sounding like the big lion now. No religious garb, unless it's my religious garb.
Where do nuns fit into your world?
How ironic, chap takes someone to task over their grammar and fails miserably Your sounding like the big lion now. No religious garb, unless it's my religious garb.
Where do nuns fit into your world?
Digga said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Alpinestars said:
Including the turban?
Are they bombing us? Nope, that's a peaceful religeon that integrates.
Alpinestars said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I'd happily export them to a muslim country but it's to late for that so the french have to make the best of a bad problem. It's to late to close the door now.
You'd export French Nationals to a country they've never been to?Presumably you'd do the same with Muslim Brits?
Personally I dont care what someone else wears, there is a small issue with seeing someone face with a Burka but on a beach are Muslim women to be forced to don a Bikini ?
They have some over zealous modesty stuff in their culture, the more we go on about it, to me the more it becomes and issue and the more adopt it, it is mainly, I am told a Saudi hardline islamic culture thing.
Nobody has to bare all, if a chaps was sat wearing some trousers and a shirt, nobody would get on his case.
The Islamic world needs to realise itself that it is a bad idea, on the west most men can cope with a glimpse of female flesh and not turn into a rape machine and covering up like that is perhaps a reason so many Muslim women are at their GPs because they feel s
t, usually a combination of depression and a Vitamin D definciency, apparently us humans need a bit of sun on our skin occasionally, just a bit, not hours baking but more than you get by wearing a biohazard suit on the beach.
They have some over zealous modesty stuff in their culture, the more we go on about it, to me the more it becomes and issue and the more adopt it, it is mainly, I am told a Saudi hardline islamic culture thing.
Nobody has to bare all, if a chaps was sat wearing some trousers and a shirt, nobody would get on his case.
The Islamic world needs to realise itself that it is a bad idea, on the west most men can cope with a glimpse of female flesh and not turn into a rape machine and covering up like that is perhaps a reason so many Muslim women are at their GPs because they feel s
t, usually a combination of depression and a Vitamin D definciency, apparently us humans need a bit of sun on our skin occasionally, just a bit, not hours baking but more than you get by wearing a biohazard suit on the beach.BigLion said:
I socialise and spend time with Muslims - I dislike the extreme elements, but please don't put words in my mouth as even my friends would find that hilarious.
For the last time I'm not sikh, you seem obsessed with trying to make that point - what is it with you and sikhs? Do you have an agenda?
Brexit should show you what the population thinks and that is what I base my view on - reality is many substituted the immigration word for Muslims.
Until you face the reality, how do you tackle the problem?
You've openly said you dislike Muslims and that you're Sikh. That's why I used the example of a turban. For the last time I'm not sikh, you seem obsessed with trying to make that point - what is it with you and sikhs? Do you have an agenda?
Brexit should show you what the population thinks and that is what I base my view on - reality is many substituted the immigration word for Muslims.
Until you face the reality, how do you tackle the problem?
Do I have an agenda re Sikh's? No, one of my best mates is Sikh......
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