Banning the Burqini...

[walm]

JagLover said:

Many, I would guess the majority, are vehemently opposed to Islam becoming dominant in this country.

Yes because there is such a huge risk of that with their 5%!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_...

[popeyewhite]

cookie118 said:

It's noticeable that even breitbart think the bad is a bad idea that won't achieve anything!
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/25/worst-t...

I think the ban is a stupid, horrible, petty idea that criminalises people who choose to wear a long swimsuit.

It's a petty law, but if people choose to wear a long swimsuit they do so in the knowledge they are deliberately breaking the law. If they're criminalised it's their own fault.

[walm]

popeyewhite said:

It's a petty law, but if people choose to wear a long swimsuit they do so in the knowledge they are deliberately breaking the law. If they're criminalised it's their own fault.

Have you heard?

Laws can change!

Sometimes a little civil disobedience can help with that change.

Rosa Parks knew she was breaking the law too.

[BJG1]

popeyewhite said:

It's a petty law, but if people choose to wear a long swimsuit they do so in the knowledge they are deliberately breaking the law. If they're criminalised it's their own fault.

Yeah and Rosa Parks should have just gone to the back of the bus, the silly bh

[lionelf]

I'm a liberal but I'm afraid I agree with Sam Harris who says the 'Liberal elite' have let us down on the issue of immigration and our relationship with the Muslim world.

We're in danger of Liberalising ourselves out of existence eventually.

[walm]

lionelf said:

I'm a liberal but I'm afraid I agree with Sam Harris who says the 'Liberal elite' have let us down on the issue of immigration and our relationship with the Muslim world.

We're in danger of Liberalising ourselves out of existence eventually.

That's just ridiculous hyperbole.

1. A boat load of immigration was owing to the EU rules. Brexit is solving that.
2. This data shows that 19% of the non-UK born population in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_407038.pdf

So at THE VERY WORSE we would see the 5% muslim population growing to 19%.

Now don't forget that we have just 300k-ish net migration a year. 0.5% of the population.
So at that rate in 100 years the population will be 9% muslim up from 5%.


HOW UTTERLY TERRIFYING!!

[JagLover]

walm said:

Yes because there is such a huge risk of that with their 5%!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_...

In the 2011 census, which is already out of date, and represented a near three fold increase from 1991.

That same 2011 census showed the Muslim proportion of the under 5s to be 10%.

[walm]

JagLover said:

walm said:

Yes because there is such a huge risk of that with their 5%!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_...

In the 2011 census, which is already out of date, and represented a near three fold increase from 1991.

That same 2011 census showed the Muslim proportion of the under 5s to be 10%.

Run for the hills!!

[walm]

JagLover said:

In the 2011 census, which is already out of date, and represented a near three fold increase from 1991.

That same 2011 census showed the Muslim proportion of the under 5s to be 10%.

So in 20 years it went from 2-ish percent to 5%.

Seems about right then that in 4x 20 you'll get to 10% as backed up by that under 5s figure and my above math.

[popeyewhite]

walm said:

Have you heard?

Laws can change!

Sometimes a little civil disobedience can help with that change.

Rosa Parks knew she was breaking the law too.

For sure, but this isn't an issue of civil right quite on that scale!

[popeyewhite]

BJG1 said:

popeyewhite said:

It's a petty law, but if people choose to wear a long swimsuit they do so in the knowledge they are deliberately breaking the law. If they're criminalised it's their own fault.

Yeah and Rosa Parks should have just gone to the back of the bus, the silly bh

Oh look here's melodrama man again.

[walm]

popeyewhite said:

For sure, but this isn't an issue of civil right quite on that scale!

I am not sure scale matters that much though does it?

And it's pretty big on the scale of things if you are a muslim beach-goer!

[popeyewhite]

walm said:

And it's pretty big on the scale of things if you are a muslim beach-goer!

It's not even in the same ball-park.

[Smiler.]

walm said:

JagLover said:

walm said:

Yes because there is such a huge risk of that with their 5%!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_...

In the 2011 census, which is already out of date, and represented a near three fold increase from 1991.

That same 2011 census showed the Muslim proportion of the under 5s to be 10%.

Run for the hills!!

It will probably be lost on you but consider specific towns & cities which have had a relatively sudden large increase in Muslim population.

That increase is far greater than 5% & for some districts within those areas, the % will be even higher.

Of course, if that doesn't affect you at all, the it's fine by you

[walm]

popeyewhite said:

walm said:

And it's pretty big on the scale of things if you are a muslim beach-goer!

It's not even in the same ball-park.

What? "Don't sit there" versus being held at gunpoint and being told to undress?

I disagree!!!

[JagLover]

walm said:

So in 20 years it went from 2-ish percent to 5%.

Seems about right then that in 4x 20 you'll get to 10% as backed up by that under 5s figure and my above math.

If birth rates fall toward the average over time then yes natural growth would suggest a figure of 10% of the population eventually.

If however we combine continuing mass migration with higher birthrates then we would be talking a considerably higher proportion of the population by 2100, and we were never consulted on this.

Blair never said "how would you fancy becoming the new Lebanon". It was all accomplished by a quiet relaxation of complex immigration rules.

10% of the population seems to have become a problem level for the French as if you are talking a small minority drawn to violent extremism that needs to be monitored then that small minority doubles when you go from 5% to 10% of the population, other things remaining equal.

[walm]

Smiler. said:

Of course, if that doesn't affect you at all, the it's fine by you

Well - that's a fair criticism, to be honest.

[popeyewhite]

walm said:

popeyewhite said:

walm said:

And it's pretty big on the scale of things if you are a muslim beach-goer!

It's not even in the same ball-park.

What? "Don't sit there" versus being held at gunpoint and being told to undress?

I disagree!!!

The analogy doesn't work because the woman in the burkhini wasn't asked to give up her position on the beach for someone else to take that position.

[walm]

popeyewhite said:

The analogy doesn't work because the woman in the burkhini wasn't asked to give up her position on the beach for someone else to take that position.

That wasn't the analogy I meant to make.

I probably put it badly, sorry.

[BJG1]

popeyewhite said:

BJG1 said:

popeyewhite said:

It's a petty law, but if people choose to wear a long swimsuit they do so in the knowledge they are deliberately breaking the law. If they're criminalised it's their own fault.

Yeah and Rosa Parks should have just gone to the back of the bus, the silly bh

Oh look here's melodrama man again.

It's exactly the same. It's a racist law that violates basic human rights and civil liberties and anyone defying it should he applauded