Banning the Burqini...
Discussion
desolate said:
lionelf said:
desolate said:
I don't deny we need to address the issue of Radical Islam and related terrorism but I see muslims intergrated into society every day I leave the house
You say "I don't deny we need to address the issue of Radical Islam and related terrorism" but then go on to almost down play it with your "but....".Please don't just pay this issue lip service, address it now by suggesting a solution. As I said, I'm a left wing Liberal but people will die from terrorist incidents while this 'try to please everybody' prevarication continues.
Disestbalish the church
Drop the Lords Spiritual from the HoL (the existence of the HoL is for another thread)
Ban the sponsorship of all schools by any religion
Ban worship in schools
Change the teaching of Religion so that it is factual/historical
(Effectively make all schools 100% secular)
That would be a start and would put the foundations in place for a genuinely secular state.
That won't happen.
I would also be a bit tighter on the use of provocative language, but that is pretty subjective and difficult to police.
All the stuff about burkas et al is a red herring, although I agree that people should show their face and that I wouldn't be against properly draughted regulations about when it is appropriate to cover one's face.
I am not 100% au fait with the non-eu immigration regulations but I would be in favour of a beefed up citizenship test that included being able to speak English. This would have to be carefully draughted as well.
I am also 100% against the kind of military interventions we have made in the Middle East.
What do you think?
Religion is a bad idea that spreads amongst those not possessed of critical thinking which unfortunately, at this time in history, are still the vast majority of the worlds population.
"French PM suggests naked breasts represent France better than a headscarf"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/30/fran...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/30/fran...
Randy Winkman said:
And page 3 girls were the pinnacle of female liberation; why did the feminists ban them?
Were they actually "banned"? I thought it was a combination of The Sun wanting to move away from the "Paper for perverts" tag and the fact that there was lots of free stuff on the Internet for middle aged saddoes?I'm not in favour of seeking to ban religion in its entirety. Some of it is quite harmless and it can be a source of great comfort to some people at difficult times, so I think it would be unreasonable to deny them that.
I very much agree with the point about our military involvements (and the conduct of the US) in other countries' affairs, and I wonder how much of the present worries about terrorism might have been avoided if we had refrained from interfering.
I very much agree with the point about our military involvements (and the conduct of the US) in other countries' affairs, and I wonder how much of the present worries about terrorism might have been avoided if we had refrained from interfering.
Countdown said:
Randy Winkman said:
And page 3 girls were the pinnacle of female liberation; why did the feminists ban them?
Were they actually "banned"? I thought it was a combination of The Sun wanting to move away from the "Paper for perverts" tag and the fact that there was lots of free stuff on the Internet for middle aged saddoes?
don4l said:
desolate said:
don4l said:
You seem to close an awful lot of threads that feature the word "Muslim".
Why?
Because the drift off topic and become a general discussion of the rights and wrongs of Islam.Why?
That's been made perfectly clear numerous times.
Go to General Gassing and start a thread about Astons and within a few posts people will be talking about Corvettes. It is the way of the world.
If every thread that drifted off topic got locked, then the site would die.
p1esk said:
I'm not in favour of seeking to ban religion in its entirety. Some of it is quite harmless
Harmless religion is a myth.The news channels are full of "harmless" religious parents utterly perplexed by the actions of their sons (and sometimes their daughters too) who've blown themselves up in a shopping mall (or wherever) taking innocent bystanders with them in the name of one god or another. These fanatics spring from the well of moderate "harmless" religion. It's what happens when you preach unquestioning devotion which all religions do. Religion is a bad idea and bad ideas must be dispensed with, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, every one of them. They no longer serve any kind of purpose.
26 pages and nobody has mentioned health benefits.....
They are a couple of articles regarding the rise of rickets in UK Asian communities. The majority of our Vitamin D comes from direct exposure to sunlight, not heat.
Covering your body in a black sheet and swimming in your clothes is going to limit your exposure to direct sunlight.
A darker skinned person living in hotter climates may need x number of minutes of exposure to give them the Vitamin D they need, but move them to a colder northern region without the sun intensity or even much sun at all, and they need a multiple of X to get the required sunlight. Which they don't get.
They are a couple of articles regarding the rise of rickets in UK Asian communities. The majority of our Vitamin D comes from direct exposure to sunlight, not heat.
Covering your body in a black sheet and swimming in your clothes is going to limit your exposure to direct sunlight.
A darker skinned person living in hotter climates may need x number of minutes of exposure to give them the Vitamin D they need, but move them to a colder northern region without the sun intensity or even much sun at all, and they need a multiple of X to get the required sunlight. Which they don't get.
FourWheelDrift said:
"French PM suggests naked breasts represent France better than a headscarf"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/30/fran...
He is righthttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/30/fran...
Puritanism regards the female body as something that is impure and should be hidden away. Civilisation has usually been associated with a celebration of the female form in its arts and culture.
lionelf said:
Harmless religion is a myth.
The news channels are full of "harmless" religious parents utterly perplexed by the actions of their sons (and sometimes their daughters too) who've blown themselves up in a shopping mall (or wherever) taking innocent bystanders with them in the name of one god or another. These fanatics spring from the well of moderate "harmless" religion. It's what happens when you preach unquestioning devotion which all religions do. Religion is a bad idea and bad ideas must be dispensed with, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, every one of them. They no longer serve any kind of purpose.
Ahhh nice to see another fundy on here - different stripe same ideals "ban whatever I find wrong"The news channels are full of "harmless" religious parents utterly perplexed by the actions of their sons (and sometimes their daughters too) who've blown themselves up in a shopping mall (or wherever) taking innocent bystanders with them in the name of one god or another. These fanatics spring from the well of moderate "harmless" religion. It's what happens when you preach unquestioning devotion which all religions do. Religion is a bad idea and bad ideas must be dispensed with, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, every one of them. They no longer serve any kind of purpose.
del mar said:
Looks to me like another man learning that his view as to how his wife should behave isn't the same view reinforced by British laws. irocfan said:
lionelf said:
Harmless religion is a myth.
The news channels are full of "harmless" religious parents utterly perplexed by the actions of their sons (and sometimes their daughters too) who've blown themselves up in a shopping mall (or wherever) taking innocent bystanders with them in the name of one god or another. These fanatics spring from the well of moderate "harmless" religion. It's what happens when you preach unquestioning devotion which all religions do. Religion is a bad idea and bad ideas must be dispensed with, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, every one of them. They no longer serve any kind of purpose.
Ahhh nice to see another fundy on here - different stripe same ideals "ban whatever I find wrong"The news channels are full of "harmless" religious parents utterly perplexed by the actions of their sons (and sometimes their daughters too) who've blown themselves up in a shopping mall (or wherever) taking innocent bystanders with them in the name of one god or another. These fanatics spring from the well of moderate "harmless" religion. It's what happens when you preach unquestioning devotion which all religions do. Religion is a bad idea and bad ideas must be dispensed with, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, every one of them. They no longer serve any kind of purpose.
lionelf said:
irocfan said:
lionelf said:
Harmless religion is a myth.
The news channels are full of "harmless" religious parents utterly perplexed by the actions of their sons (and sometimes their daughters too) who've blown themselves up in a shopping mall (or wherever) taking innocent bystanders with them in the name of one god or another. These fanatics spring from the well of moderate "harmless" religion. It's what happens when you preach unquestioning devotion which all religions do. Religion is a bad idea and bad ideas must be dispensed with, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, every one of them. They no longer serve any kind of purpose.
Ahhh nice to see another fundy on here - different stripe same ideals "ban whatever I find wrong"The news channels are full of "harmless" religious parents utterly perplexed by the actions of their sons (and sometimes their daughters too) who've blown themselves up in a shopping mall (or wherever) taking innocent bystanders with them in the name of one god or another. These fanatics spring from the well of moderate "harmless" religion. It's what happens when you preach unquestioning devotion which all religions do. Religion is a bad idea and bad ideas must be dispensed with, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, every one of them. They no longer serve any kind of purpose.
jjlynn27 said:
lionelf said:
irocfan said:
lionelf said:
Harmless religion is a myth.
The news channels are full of "harmless" religious parents utterly perplexed by the actions of their sons (and sometimes their daughters too) who've blown themselves up in a shopping mall (or wherever) taking innocent bystanders with them in the name of one god or another. These fanatics spring from the well of moderate "harmless" religion. It's what happens when you preach unquestioning devotion which all religions do. Religion is a bad idea and bad ideas must be dispensed with, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, every one of them. They no longer serve any kind of purpose.
Ahhh nice to see another fundy on here - different stripe same ideals "ban whatever I find wrong"The news channels are full of "harmless" religious parents utterly perplexed by the actions of their sons (and sometimes their daughters too) who've blown themselves up in a shopping mall (or wherever) taking innocent bystanders with them in the name of one god or another. These fanatics spring from the well of moderate "harmless" religion. It's what happens when you preach unquestioning devotion which all religions do. Religion is a bad idea and bad ideas must be dispensed with, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, every one of them. They no longer serve any kind of purpose.
Shall I list other things that were OK at one time but then banned at a later time? Jeez
As Christopher Hitchens once said "Religion poisons everything".
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