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dunmow70

180 posts

59 months

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My commute has me leaving and coming back to London Bridge every day. My opinion of The Shard? It needs a bloody good clean. There are different shades of dirt going all the way up. It might be amplified by the brown (cardboard?) inner window protection at different levels, but it looks rubbish.

I'm embarrassed to admit, I thought the building was still under construction until a couple of months ago when the topping out ceremony took place. The way they had placed the triangular sections at the top, I thought they would settle back onto each other in the form of a pyramid (of sorts). But they never did.

The artist impressions that were released as it was being built look much better than it does in reality.

AmitG

1,397 posts

56 months

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dunmow70 said:
My commute has me leaving and coming back to London Bridge every day. My opinion of The Shard? It needs a bloody good clean. There are different shades of dirt going all the way up. It might be amplified by the brown (cardboard?) inner window protection at different levels, but it looks rubbish.

I'm embarrassed to admit, I thought the building was still under construction until a couple of months ago when the topping out ceremony took place. The way they had placed the triangular sections at the top, I thought they would settle back onto each other in the form of a pyramid (of sorts). But they never did.

The artist impressions that were released as it was being built look much better than it does in reality.
I think it needs more than a good clean, personally.

I agree on the topping out. During construction, I genuinely thought it was unfinished and that the planes would converge to a point. I know it's meant to represent a shard of glass, but converging to a point would be the logical thing to do. I was really surprised to see that this is the final design. I refused to believe it until they started taking the cranes away. It looks like they ran out of money before finishing it.

I have huge respect for the civil and construction engineering that went into it, which is nothing short of incredible and is something which this country should be proud of. But as for the design...I'm afraid it's hideous. IMHO it would look a lot better if the exterior were shinier and less transparent (so more mirror like). The shape is really good for reflecting the sky, so I would have capitalised on that, making the building "disappear" into the skyline by reflecting the clouds. The top needs to be properly finished off, and there needs to be more vertical interest. And someone needs to finish off the bottom, as well. The way in which the sides come to an abrupt stop 50 feet above the ground, suggesting no relationship between the inside and outside of the building, is IMHO poor design.



A good test for architecture is how good the building looks on a dull or rainy day, when the shape isn't being flattered by sunlight. The Lloyds building, Natwest Tower and Gherkin all pass this test. The Shard just looks...depressing.

I go into London Bridge and then Bishopsgate every day. I never get tired of looking at the Natwest Tower, Heron Tower and Gherkin. With the Shard, I'm frankly bored already. It is not capable of holding my interest. Maybe this is my problem and not the Shard's. But others seem to agree.

I predict it will be pulled down within 30 years.


porridge

1,109 posts

40 months

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Saturday 6th October 2012 quote quote all
On the in progress front

- Walkie Talkie looks promising, really like it so far.
- the one opposite the Lloyd's building, cheesegrater?? looks dull
- the one on bishops gate, spiral thingy, too early to say

GWC

4,234 posts

91 months

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Does anyone know who has signed up to take space in the shard?

AmitG

1,397 posts

56 months

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Saturday 6th October 2012 quote quote all
porridge said:
On the in progress front

- Walkie Talkie looks promising, really like it so far.
- the one opposite the Lloyd's building, cheesegrater?? looks dull
- the one on bishops gate, spiral thingy, too early to say
yes

Walkie Talkie - looks very promising and I reckon that on shape alone, it will stand the test of time much better than the Shard. I always wonder whether the construction hoardings are having a gentle dig at the Shard.



Cheese Grater - could go either way...

The spiral thingy on Bishopsgate was at one point called the Helter Skelter. The builders packed up and left about a year ago and nothing has happened since. I believe there is an ongoing problem with finance. The core has not risen beyond the 6th floor.

Also keep an eye on 5 Broadgate (next to Liverpool Street station). Currently a big hole in the ground, but will eventually be the new UBS headquarters, and potentially the best of the lot.

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Ozzie Osmond

17,027 posts

142 months

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porridge said:
Anyone else disappointed by the end result?
Yup, it's rubbish. Makes you wonder who had the "right connections" to get it through the planning process. But we're stuck with it now!

dxg

3,907 posts

156 months

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AmitG said:
Also keep an eye on 5 Broadgate (next to Liverpool Street station). Currently a big hole in the ground, but will eventually be the new UBS headquarters, and potentially the best of the lot.
But it's not exactly a tower, is it. More a big steel clad brick (or technically two cubes side by side), all designed around a 60m clear span in its trading rooms.

Compare it, however, with the cheesegrater and it's interesting to see what a difference building for a known client or speculatively can have - both are British Land / Broadgate projects, I think.

Plus the fact that one has a signature architect and the other doesn't.

hornetrider

54,164 posts

101 months

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Chaps. Got any pics/impressions of these weird and wonderfully named buildings?!

hornet

6,153 posts

146 months

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I must admit I wasn't really a fan of the Walkie Talkie, as I always thought it looked a little bit squat (originally planned to be taller?), but now it's progressing, I'm more than warming to it. Cheesegrater starting to look interesting, and will certainly open up a lot of space at ground level. Pinnacle was probably my favourite of the lot to be honest, but who knows when that will get going again.

GWC

4,234 posts

91 months

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hornetrider said:
Chaps. Got any pics/impressions of these weird and wonderfully named buildings?!
http://www.wirefresh.com/londons-skyline-soars-wit...


The cheesegrater



The walkie talkie



The helter skelter/pinnacle


hornetrider

54,164 posts

101 months

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Thanks! Cheese grater a bit 'meh' but I do like the other pair.

dxg

3,907 posts

156 months

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Have lots of floorspace on the lower levels makes perfect sense for the cheesegrater when you think about who its tenants are likely to be and the nature of their business right in the middle of the City.

z4chris99

7,976 posts

75 months

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dxg said:
Have lots of floorspace on the lower levels makes perfect sense for the cheesegrater when you think about who its tenants are likely to be and the nature of their business right in the middle of the City.
the design is to do with rights of light and protected sight lines

z4chris99

7,976 posts

75 months

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the pinnacle will never get built the finance is fked.

also the way the core is built it's very hard to change the expensive design into something cheaper to build.

z4chris99

7,976 posts

75 months

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other ones going up;

Bishops place
St George's tower
Market towers
One blackfriars
Kings Reach reclad

etc etc etc

Edited by z4chris99 on Sunday 7th October 16:21

AmitG

1,397 posts

56 months

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z4chris99 said:
the pinnacle will never get built the finance is fked.

also the way the core is built it's very hard to change the expensive design into something cheaper to build.
frown

johnnywgk

2,002 posts

78 months

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sorry if repost, I'm not going through all the pages to see, just thought
ya'll might not have seen these two.







Got some on my phone, but don't know how to put on pc.

King Herald

20,069 posts

112 months

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Thursday 18th October 2012 quote quote all
Ozzie Osmond said:
porridge said:
Anyone else disappointed by the end result?
Yup, it's rubbish. Makes you wonder who had the "right connections" to get it through the planning process. But we're stuck with it now!
Somewhere near the start of the thread I expressed my opinion that I thought it was a pointless waste of money, a blot on the landscape etc. I was shot down in flames for not having enough vision blah blah.

Just saying. whistle

Slaav

2,647 posts

106 months

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Thursday 18th October 2012 quote quote all
HAd meetings over by this today and wow; just wow!

Nice sunny glimpses and brilliant photo op (if I had joined in and taken one) from outside the E&Y offices. Absolutely stunning.

Am now in two thoughts about the 'unfinished' shards at the top though smile

FarleyRusk

1,033 posts

107 months

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Thursday 18th October 2012 quote quote all
From a train at London bridge platform 6 on Tuesday. Signs of urban decay already there..


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