Climate Change - the big debate
Discussion
Blib said:
Once there, I clicked onto their 'Climate Change' page and then onto "Latest News". Interestingly, the latest news is dated May of this year. Nothing at all after that.
It hasn't been updated since roughly the time of the election.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/news/lat...
Well, it's f***ng freezing and going to be and stay below average temps doesn't really help their lies does it!??! So best say nothing...;)It hasn't been updated since roughly the time of the election.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/news/lat...
odyssey2200 said:
Enough about Stern
What is Monkton up to these days?
Gone too quite IMHO
He is still busy. BTW his name is Monckton.What is Monkton up to these days?
Gone too quite IMHO
Last week:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh0D3Q8jxpQ
Don
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JMGS4 said:
kerplunk said:
JMGS4 said:
Concrete bases for a 36m high tower... works out by my maths... or didn't you ever do any?
Windage x height x weight = ?????
it's just from here <pats belly> Windage x height x weight = ?????
Edited by JMGS4 on Friday 19th November 07:55
Provide example of a turbine base matching your dimensions/weight, thanks.
Joe's calling it majorly cold - 'brutal' in some places. Looks like we might escape the very worst of it.
THURSDAY MORNING
ISN'T IT LOVELY?... THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY OF CLIMATE GATE AND THE ARCTIC HOUND COMES CALLING.
I love Mother Nature. She has no regards for the folly of men to control her. Yet here we are, all big and pumped up with ourselves thinking we can solve problems that are of a nature that is not our making. I am all in agreement with solving problems we do cause and perhaps we should all focus on that, rather than seeing A GHOST and think we made it.
Besides... we KNOW for a fact that there are things of our cause (why else is there war?) that we can try to solve. Why declare war on something you did not create or control, unless it's control over others you want?
Hence the rationale behind what I think is obvious, the idea that planetary temps are cyclical.
A year ago, we all know about emails being released that were at the least embarrassing, and at the most damming, to the idea that humans are causing global warming. I actually did not comment much on it, because you see, as a human, I have been known to dismiss and deride other opinions at other times. In fact, there was nothing really shocking in there to me. Go back and look at my posts during that time, and you won't see me all a-tither about things. What I did so enjoy was seeing them come out, when a cold winter was coming at the area where the East Anglia Climate Unit was, and here in the States, where the other end of the dynamic duo, Dr. Michael Mann, lives, and of course works at the university that I received my degree in. (Point of fact, Dr. Mann is not a Penn State meteorologist, he received his degrees at other places... he works here. I say that because whether Penn State likes it or not, I speak for a legion of people from my era that don't agree with the university on this matter, mainly people my age, the old fogies that we are.) his idea of pitting two PSU people against each other is nonsense, since I am the only one of the two that actually earned the PSU degree. So it is not a Penn State battle. And by the way, I will again state that just because these folks got caught throwing some stones doesn't mean others don't. Who among us is without sin?
However, you have got to love the fact that when all this was leaked, the cold came! And here it comes again. It's wonderful irony!!! And I do love that so. And though it should not be as bad a winter in the northwest as last year, much of Europe is going to be wondering what the heck is going on when this winter is over. One of the reasons I am presenting such things as the global sea ice report and continually trying to get people to look at objective satellite temps and to be aware of the way some things are being done, is simply so they will be armed with info, not ignorance, in this matter. Why have someone feed you when you can feed yourself?
But isn't Mother Nature wonderful? Somehow in the midst of the warming spike that occurred because of the El Nino, she sends the coldest weather to the areas most likely to be awakened to being scammed, if this does turn out to be that. And here she goes again.
If you bet global warming would save you this winter, you won't be able to collect your winnings.
You gotta love it.
Ciao for now.
By the way, you can follow me on Twitter (I am @BigJoeb
di). I occasionally tweet there on Europe when I don't have time for monster posts. In fact, I tweeted today.
I see nothing to back away on the idea that the core of the worst of the winter is in southern Europe into southern Russia this year. Most of the "continent" is cold and it's Ireland, northern and central Great Britain and Scandinavia that has the shot at warmer than normal. It will be a tussle in Brussels, but once south to Vienna and Berne, it's the cold that will turn people into non-believers (if they have not had enough already) that may be warm, warm, warm is not the way to go. I also think the winter is cold from Italy to Turkey. The threat of cold is no bull in Istanbul.
Having my way with words here.
In fact, I am so impressed that I think my relatives all the way to Bari, Italy, are going to see it snow this year.
For my amigos in Madrid... look out, a cold Spanish winter is on the way. In Greece and Cyprus, colder than normal. In fact, from about the 50th latitude south, this looks nasty, but centered between 40 and 45.
If you like winter cold... you'll love what's coming.
Ciao for now.
Hey, folks, as per previous posts I have work getting in the way of my play time with Euro weather, but I am going to post on the next few weeks coming up as blocking is developing and a major early season outbreak of cold looks to be shaping up as we wind the clock toward December. Fitting that with the first anniversary of the release of the climate emails, the weather may again try to prove its point that man can't control nature.
THURSDAY MORNING
ISN'T IT LOVELY?... THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY OF CLIMATE GATE AND THE ARCTIC HOUND COMES CALLING.
I love Mother Nature. She has no regards for the folly of men to control her. Yet here we are, all big and pumped up with ourselves thinking we can solve problems that are of a nature that is not our making. I am all in agreement with solving problems we do cause and perhaps we should all focus on that, rather than seeing A GHOST and think we made it.
Besides... we KNOW for a fact that there are things of our cause (why else is there war?) that we can try to solve. Why declare war on something you did not create or control, unless it's control over others you want?
Hence the rationale behind what I think is obvious, the idea that planetary temps are cyclical.
A year ago, we all know about emails being released that were at the least embarrassing, and at the most damming, to the idea that humans are causing global warming. I actually did not comment much on it, because you see, as a human, I have been known to dismiss and deride other opinions at other times. In fact, there was nothing really shocking in there to me. Go back and look at my posts during that time, and you won't see me all a-tither about things. What I did so enjoy was seeing them come out, when a cold winter was coming at the area where the East Anglia Climate Unit was, and here in the States, where the other end of the dynamic duo, Dr. Michael Mann, lives, and of course works at the university that I received my degree in. (Point of fact, Dr. Mann is not a Penn State meteorologist, he received his degrees at other places... he works here. I say that because whether Penn State likes it or not, I speak for a legion of people from my era that don't agree with the university on this matter, mainly people my age, the old fogies that we are.) his idea of pitting two PSU people against each other is nonsense, since I am the only one of the two that actually earned the PSU degree. So it is not a Penn State battle. And by the way, I will again state that just because these folks got caught throwing some stones doesn't mean others don't. Who among us is without sin?
However, you have got to love the fact that when all this was leaked, the cold came! And here it comes again. It's wonderful irony!!! And I do love that so. And though it should not be as bad a winter in the northwest as last year, much of Europe is going to be wondering what the heck is going on when this winter is over. One of the reasons I am presenting such things as the global sea ice report and continually trying to get people to look at objective satellite temps and to be aware of the way some things are being done, is simply so they will be armed with info, not ignorance, in this matter. Why have someone feed you when you can feed yourself?
But isn't Mother Nature wonderful? Somehow in the midst of the warming spike that occurred because of the El Nino, she sends the coldest weather to the areas most likely to be awakened to being scammed, if this does turn out to be that. And here she goes again.
If you bet global warming would save you this winter, you won't be able to collect your winnings.
You gotta love it.
Ciao for now.
- **
By the way, you can follow me on Twitter (I am @BigJoeb
di). I occasionally tweet there on Europe when I don't have time for monster posts. In fact, I tweeted today.I see nothing to back away on the idea that the core of the worst of the winter is in southern Europe into southern Russia this year. Most of the "continent" is cold and it's Ireland, northern and central Great Britain and Scandinavia that has the shot at warmer than normal. It will be a tussle in Brussels, but once south to Vienna and Berne, it's the cold that will turn people into non-believers (if they have not had enough already) that may be warm, warm, warm is not the way to go. I also think the winter is cold from Italy to Turkey. The threat of cold is no bull in Istanbul.
Having my way with words here.
In fact, I am so impressed that I think my relatives all the way to Bari, Italy, are going to see it snow this year.
For my amigos in Madrid... look out, a cold Spanish winter is on the way. In Greece and Cyprus, colder than normal. In fact, from about the 50th latitude south, this looks nasty, but centered between 40 and 45.
If you like winter cold... you'll love what's coming.
Ciao for now.
- **
Hey, folks, as per previous posts I have work getting in the way of my play time with Euro weather, but I am going to post on the next few weeks coming up as blocking is developing and a major early season outbreak of cold looks to be shaping up as we wind the clock toward December. Fitting that with the first anniversary of the release of the climate emails, the weather may again try to prove its point that man can't control nature.
found an example of met office propaganda ~(via act on co2)
http://www.realclimategate.org/2010/11/are-compute...
yes says the met office
no says the ipcc
http://www.realclimategate.org/2010/11/are-compute...
yes says the met office
no says the ipcc
kerplunk said:
JMGS4 said:
kerplunk said:
JMGS4 said:
Concrete bases for a 36m high tower... works out by my maths... or didn't you ever do any?
Windage x height x weight = ?????
it's just from here <pats belly> Windage x height x weight = ?????
Edited by JMGS4 on Friday 19th November 07:55
Provide example of a turbine base matching your dimensions/weight, thanks.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/212588/Aid-bud...
grumbledoak said:
Prof Prolapse said:
As I keep saying the greenhouse gas theory no more violates the 2nd law than your actual greenhouse does.
Yes, but my greenhouse has a glass roof that prevents convection. That's how greenhouses work.It's got f
k all to do with trace gases that are free to rise and fall. As in the atmosphere.WARNING - do be careful and try not to get scorched next time you go in.
Plus, it might make your plants grow out of control though?
Guam said:
Bored with Faking data and bogus sattellite information, fake a flood instead and produce Bogus satellite images, art does indeed imitate life it appears 
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
WTF?http://wattsupwiththat.com/
From the University of Exeter (and naturally the UEA) this press release below and not a peep in it about the El Niño earlier this year that would have helped to degassify CO2 from the warmer portions of the Pacific ocean.
Typical true believer tactics, we've seen that on here so many times. No mention of the recent strong El Nino, no mention of ocean degassing, what a surprise!
Probably sailed through peer review on a waft of hot air
More calls for carbon 'taxing' from another unelected bureaucrat.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/f...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/f...
Git said:
To manage and monitor the changes, he argued for a larger central budget – funded by “more transparent EU-wide instruments—such as a European VAT, or carbon taxation and pricing”.
AAaargh A reality check via GWPF:
New Fossil Fuel Age Looms
In the last few years, we've discovered the equivalent of two Saudi Arabias of oil in the form of natural gas in the United States. Not one, but two. --Aubrey McClendon, CBS, 14 November 2010
Just as it seemed that the world was running on fumes, giant oil fields were discovered off the coasts of Brazil and Africa, and Canadian oil sands projects expanded so fast, they now provide North America with more oil than Saudi Arabia. In addition, the United States has increased domestic oil production for the first time in a generation. Meanwhile, another wave of natural gas drilling has taken off in shale rock fields across the United States, and more shale gas drilling is just beginning in Europe and Asia. Energy experts now predict decades of residential and commercial power at reasonable prices. Simply put, the world of energy has once again been turned upside down.
The New York Times, 17 November 2010
The word "revolution" is overused, but it's truly appropriate when applied to these technological breakthroughs. Literally trillions of dollars' worth of shale oil and gas can now be economically extracted. The implications are staggering. Oil production, too, in the U.S. will increase far beyond what experts thought possible a few short years ago. The Earth is awash in energy.
Steve Forbes, November 2010
New Fossil Fuel Age Looms
In the last few years, we've discovered the equivalent of two Saudi Arabias of oil in the form of natural gas in the United States. Not one, but two. --Aubrey McClendon, CBS, 14 November 2010
Just as it seemed that the world was running on fumes, giant oil fields were discovered off the coasts of Brazil and Africa, and Canadian oil sands projects expanded so fast, they now provide North America with more oil than Saudi Arabia. In addition, the United States has increased domestic oil production for the first time in a generation. Meanwhile, another wave of natural gas drilling has taken off in shale rock fields across the United States, and more shale gas drilling is just beginning in Europe and Asia. Energy experts now predict decades of residential and commercial power at reasonable prices. Simply put, the world of energy has once again been turned upside down.
The New York Times, 17 November 2010
The word "revolution" is overused, but it's truly appropriate when applied to these technological breakthroughs. Literally trillions of dollars' worth of shale oil and gas can now be economically extracted. The implications are staggering. Oil production, too, in the U.S. will increase far beyond what experts thought possible a few short years ago. The Earth is awash in energy.
Steve Forbes, November 2010
turbobloke said:
A reality check via GWPF:
New Fossil Fuel Age Looms
In the last few years, we've discovered the equivalent of two Saudi Arabias of oil in the form of natural gas in the United States. Not one, but two. --Aubrey McClendon, CBS, 14 November 2010
Just as it seemed that the world was running on fumes, giant oil fields were discovered off the coasts of Brazil and Africa, and Canadian oil sands projects expanded so fast, they now provide North America with more oil than Saudi Arabia. In addition, the United States has increased domestic oil production for the first time in a generation. Meanwhile, another wave of natural gas drilling has taken off in shale rock fields across the United States, and more shale gas drilling is just beginning in Europe and Asia. Energy experts now predict decades of residential and commercial power at reasonable prices. Simply put, the world of energy has once again been turned upside down.
The New York Times, 17 November 2010
The word "revolution" is overused, but it's truly appropriate when applied to these technological breakthroughs. Literally trillions of dollars' worth of shale oil and gas can now be economically extracted. The implications are staggering. Oil production, too, in the U.S. will increase far beyond what experts thought possible a few short years ago. The Earth is awash in energy.
Steve Forbes, November 2010
wow......that's gonna piss on the greenies cornflakesNew Fossil Fuel Age Looms
In the last few years, we've discovered the equivalent of two Saudi Arabias of oil in the form of natural gas in the United States. Not one, but two. --Aubrey McClendon, CBS, 14 November 2010
Just as it seemed that the world was running on fumes, giant oil fields were discovered off the coasts of Brazil and Africa, and Canadian oil sands projects expanded so fast, they now provide North America with more oil than Saudi Arabia. In addition, the United States has increased domestic oil production for the first time in a generation. Meanwhile, another wave of natural gas drilling has taken off in shale rock fields across the United States, and more shale gas drilling is just beginning in Europe and Asia. Energy experts now predict decades of residential and commercial power at reasonable prices. Simply put, the world of energy has once again been turned upside down.
The New York Times, 17 November 2010
The word "revolution" is overused, but it's truly appropriate when applied to these technological breakthroughs. Literally trillions of dollars' worth of shale oil and gas can now be economically extracted. The implications are staggering. Oil production, too, in the U.S. will increase far beyond what experts thought possible a few short years ago. The Earth is awash in energy.
Steve Forbes, November 2010
Guam said:
Blib said:
No it won't. It will be ignored. Nothing of any import will be seen on the news or any other MSM. The BBC will be silent. As will Sky.
It doesn't fit the current narrative.
As evidenced by Roger Harrabinliner on radio 4 this morning, business as usual it would appear over at the Beeb!!It doesn't fit the current narrative.
"The Climate Wars"
Program on Sky TV - Eden; channel 532 at the moment addressing the views of skeptics.
You can catch the full program on Eden+1 (channel 533) starts at 9pm.
Interesting stuff, seems to be presenting both sides, just waiting for the conclusion.
ETA: It's a piss boiler, the conclusion falls entirely on the side of the warmists..... ugghhhhhhhhhhh
Program on Sky TV - Eden; channel 532 at the moment addressing the views of skeptics.
You can catch the full program on Eden+1 (channel 533) starts at 9pm.
Interesting stuff, seems to be presenting both sides, just waiting for the conclusion.
ETA: It's a piss boiler, the conclusion falls entirely on the side of the warmists..... ugghhhhhhhhhhh
Edited by The Excession on Monday 22 November 19:53
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