Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations

[turbobloke]

james_tigerwoods said:

What if this is a really elaborate hoax designed to make us all think Climate change isn't real only for the whole thing to be debunked and for us all to then accept the real truth?

Without the data? As an act of faith?

Curious déja vu return-to-the-present?

And referring to:

Does anyone have a link to the documents that isn't a (work blocked) torrent?

I posted this on here a while back:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XD050VKY

[MX-Si]

james_tigerwoods said:

What if this is a really elaborate hoax designed to make us all think Climate change isn't real only for the whole thing to be debunked and for us all to then accept the real truth?

Does anyone have a link to the documents that isn't a (work blocked) torrent?

Indeed, this could backfire spectacularly then the Warmists have carte blanche to do whatever they want leaving us skeptics well and truly fooked.

[john_p]

If the emails are stored as RFC822 compliant files, and you have a Linux server handy, then you can just copy them into a Maildir 'new' folder and read them with whatever you find most convenient.

I can't believe someone would make up 1073 emails, all with cc: and from: addresses, including some who would be 'hostile' to them - and may well be able to cooberate emails that they sent..

[dickymint]

I've had Sky and BBC News on all day. Coverage of the flooding is ALL that I have seen. Do you suppose it's being kept out of the News until the politicians have had time to get their story straight?

[gib6933]

Funny, flooding might be the idea.

[grumbledoak]

john_p said:

I can't believe someone would make up 1073 emails...

People have done far, far more to gain power in the past! In the run up to Copenhagen, and with the wheels seemingly coming loose on that bandwagon, you should be very very suspicious. If this is shown to be a hoax the backlash will swing Copenhagen and we'll have green politics communism foisted upon us for a generation or more.

[Matt_N]

Can someone 'cut and paste' this 'The Rules' document?

[gib6933]

Matt_N said:

Can someone 'cut and paste' this 'The Rules' document?

the
rules
of the
game
Recommendations to the Climate Change Communications Working Group:
Evidence base for the Climate Change
Communications Strategy
The game is communicating climate change;
the rules will help us win it.
the principles of
climate change
communication
Why were the principles
created?
The game is communicating
climate change; the rules will
help us win it.
These principles were created as
part of the UK Climate Change
Communications Strategy, an
evidence-based strategy aiming
to change public attitudes
towards climate change in the
UK. This is a ‘short version’
of a far longer document of
evidence that can be found at
www.defra.gov.uk.
There is plenty of evidence
relating to attitudes towards and
behaviour on climate change,
general environmental behaviour
change and the whole issue
of sustainable development
communication. As we reviewed
the research for these principles,
one ‘überprinciple’ emerged:
“Changing attitudes
towards climate change is
not like selling a particular
brand of soap – it’s like
convincing someone to
use soap in the first place.”
At first glance, some of the
principles may seem counterintuitive
to those who have
been working on sustainable
development or climate change
communications for many years.
Some confront dearly cherished
beliefs about what works; a few
even seem to attack the values
or principles of sustainable
development itself.
However, these principles are a
first step to using sophisticated
behaviour change modelling and
comprehensive evidence from
around the world to change
attitudes towards climate change.
We need to think radically, and
the Rules of the Game are a sign
that future campaigns will not be
‘business as usual’. This is a truly
exciting moment.
For the full evidence for these rules, and the climate change
communications strategy itself, please visit: www.defra.gov.uk
For the new UK sustainable development strategy please visit:
www.sustainable-development.gov.uk
a new way of
thinking
Once we’ve eliminated the myths, there is room for some new
ideas. These principles relate to some of the key ideas emerging
from behaviour change modelling for sustainable development:
5. Climate change must be ‘front of mind’ before
persuasion works
Currently, telling the public to take notice of climate change is
as successful as selling tampons to men. People don’t realise
(or remember) that climate change relates to them.
6. Use both peripheral and central processing
Attracting direct attention to an issue can change attitudes, but
peripheral messages can be just as effective: a tabloid snapshot
of Gwyneth Paltrow at a bus stop can help change attitudes to
public transport.
7. Link climate change mitigation to positive
desires/aspirations
Traditional marketing associates products with the aspirations of
their target audience. Linking climate change mitigation to home
improvement, self-improvement, green spaces or national pride are
all worth investigating.
8. Use transmitters and social learning
People learn through social interaction, and some people are
better teachers and trendsetters than others. Targeting these
people will ensure that messages seem more trustworthy and are
transmitted more effectively.
9. Beware the impacts of cognitive dissonance
Confronting someone with the difference between their attitude and
their actions on climate change will make them more likely to change
their attitude than their actions.
blowing away 2
myths
Many of the oft-repeated communications methods and messages
of sustainable development have been dismissed by mainstream
communicators, behaviour change experts and psychologists.
Before we go into what works, our principles make a ‘clean sweep’
of what doesn’t:
1. Challenging habits of climate change communication
Don’t rely on concern about children’s future or human
survival instincts
Recent surveys show that people without children may care more
about climate change than those with children. “Fight or flight” human
survival instincts have a time limit measured in minutes – they are of
little use for a change in climate measured in years.
Don’t create fear without agency
Fear can create apathy if individuals have no ‘agency’ to act upon
the threat. Use fear with great caution.
Don’t attack or criticise home or family
It is unproductive to attack that which people hold dear.
2. Forget the climate change detractors
Those who deny climate change science are irritating, but
unimportant. The argument is not about if we should deal with climate
change, but how we should deal with climate change.
3. There is no ‘rational man’
The evidence discredits the ‘rational man’ theory – we rarely weigh
objectively the value of different decisions and then take the clear
self-interested choice.
4. Information can’t work alone
Providing information is not wrong; relying on information alone to
change attitudes is wrong. Remember also that messages about
saving money are important, but not that important.
1
style
principles
These principles lend some guidance on the evidence of stylistic
themes that have a high chance of success:
16. Create a trusted, credible, recognised voice on
climate change
We need trusted organisations and individuals that the media can
call upon to explain the implications of climate change to the
UK public.
17. Use emotions and visuals
Another classic marketing rule: changing behaviour by
disseminating information doesn’t always work, but emotions
and visuals usually do.
effective
management
These principles are drawn primarily from the experience of others,
both in their successes and in the problems they faced:
18. The context affects everything
The prioritisation of these principles must be subject to ongoing
assessments of the UK climate change situation.
19. The communications must be sustained over time
All the most successful public awareness campaigns have been
sustained consistently over many years.
20. Partnered delivery of messages will be more
successful
Experience shows that partnered delivery is often a key component
for projects that are large, complex and have many stakeholders.
5
6
linking policy and
communications
These principles clearly deserve a separate section. All the evidence
is clear – sometimes aggressively so – that ‘communications in the
absence of policy’ will precipitate the failure of any climate change
communications campaign right from the start:
10. Everyone must use a clear and consistent
explanation of climate change
The public knows that climate change is important, but is less clear
on exactly what it is and how it works.
11. Government policy and communications on climate
change must be consistent
Don’t ‘build in’ inconsistency and failure from the start.
audience
principles
In contrast to the myths, this section suggests some principles that
do work. These principles are likely to lead directly to a set of general
messages, although each poses a significant implementation challenge:
12. Create ‘agency’ for combating climate change
Agency is created when people know what to do, decide for
themselves to do it, have access to the infrastructure in which to act,
and understand that their contribution is important.
13. Make climate change a ‘home’ not ‘away’ issue
Climate change is a global issue, but we will feel its impact at home –
and we can act on it at home.
14. Raise the status of climate change mitigation
behaviours
Research shows that energy efficiency behaviours can make you
seem poor and unattractive. We must work to overcome these
emotional assumptions.
15. Target specific groups
A classic marketing rule, and one not always followed by climate
change communications from government and other sources.
3
4
If you are inspired or sceptical,
have questions or want to know
more, then please contact:
“First they ignore you; then they laugh
at you; then they fight you; then you win.”
Mahatma Gandhi
sustainability communications
020 7733 6363
www.futerra.co.uk
[e-mail]

[chris watton]

I am sure the journalists do know about this, and are sifting through the data right now and seeing how much is true - or not. Once done, it will come out. (I have watched State of Play...)

[mybrainhurts]

MEET....




This is better than watching Harriet Harman burn at the stake.....

[john_p]

Allegedly there is an email raised at about the same time as a FOI request was submitted to the University of East Anglia asking several people to delete any references to "AR4" .. what is AR4 ?

[Busa_Rush]

mybrainhurts said:

This is better than watching Harriet Harman burn at the stake.....

Only just

[SkinnyBoy]

john_p said:

Allegedly there is an email raised at about the same time as a FOI request was submitted to the University of East Anglia asking several people to delete any references to "AR4" .. what is AR4 ?

Ass Raper 4 aka "Green Taxes"

[The Excession]

plasticpig said:

The properties from the MS Word and Excel documents have a range of authors and sources with diffrent software versions. If it is a hoax someone has put an enormous amount of effort into it.

Bastid! I was just about to post that, although in my defence I've been busy emailing every news room I can find an email address for!

[Dr_Gonzo]

grumbledoak said:

john_p said:

I can't believe someone would make up 1073 emails...

People have done far, far more to gain power in the past! In the run up to Copenhagen, and with the wheels seemingly coming loose on that bandwagon, you should be very very suspicious. If this is shown to be a hoax the backlash will swing Copenhagen and we'll have green politics communism foisted upon us for a generation or more.

If it is a hoax, could it be one done on the part of the greens to show 'how depserate' the sceptics are? A double bluff as it were.

[B Oeuf]

G_T said:

B Oeuf said:

G_T said:

I guess the phrase "innocent until proven guilty", holds true here

I'm loving the irony in this

How's that ironic?

In that we are being accused of destroying the planet on the basis of an unproven theory. Now the shoe is on the other foot so to speak, they are being accused of making it all up

Edited by B Oeuf on Friday 20th November 11:59

[MX-Si]

Well, nothing in the mainstream media so far. Looks like they're not going to run this, unless Labour have shat themselves and put a 'D' notice out.

[james_tigerwoods]

turbobloke said:

james_tigerwoods said:

What if this is a really elaborate hoax designed to make us all think Climate change isn't real only for the whole thing to be debunked and for us all to then accept the real truth?

Without the data? As an act of faith?

Curious déja vu return-to-the-present?

And referring to:

Does anyone have a link to the documents that isn't a (work blocked) torrent?

I posted this on here a while back:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XD050VKY

I suppose that if there are enough voices out there to shout all this down, it'll happen - perhaps I'm being too cynical - Whenever there's a challenge to climate change, it is shouted down, very loudly.

ETA - And I'm just downloading that now - well, if the work web proxy lets me...

Extra ETA - Which it won't as it's a "banned file type for downloading"... Bah - damned web washer...

Edited by james_tigerwoods on Friday 20th November 12:01

[jshell]

turbobloke said:

james_tigerwoods said:

What if this is a really elaborate hoax designed to make us all think Climate change isn't real only for the whole thing to be debunked and for us all to then accept the real truth?

Without the data? As an act of faith?

Curious déja vu return-to-the-present?

And referring to:

Does anyone have a link to the documents that isn't a (work blocked) torrent?

I posted this on here a while back:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XD050VKY

My web-nanny shat itself with that link, there was just a boxing glove on a spring out of the screen!

[john_p]

This is fascinating - I have been told that:

- one of the main researchers 'retired' from UEA so that he wouldn't be subject to FOI requests for the code to his climate model
- They worry repeatedly about the CRU station data being leaked - is that what the code in the files is?
- People are told to delete emails rather than respond to FOI requests
- They come up with numerous ways of evading the FOI requests - hardly the work of reputable scientists who believe in their data, is it?