Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations
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"Climategate: this is our Berlin Wall moment!"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/...
"I’ve just had a great, very sympathetic interview about Climategate on LBC radio (London’s main commercial news and talk station) with Petrie Hosken. She told me she has been simply inundated with callers, all of them utterly unconvinced that human influence has made any significant on so-called “Global Warming”. She was desperate to get a few balancing calls from people who do believe in AGW but just couldn’t find any.
Can you imagine this happening a year ago? Or even a month ago? Until Climategate, we “Sceptics” were considered freaks – almost as bad as Holocaust deniers – beyond the pale of reasonable balanced discussion. Suddenly we’re the norm. Climategate has finally given us the chance to express openly what many of us secretly felt all along:
AGW is about raising taxes; increasing state control; about a few canny hucksters who’ve leapt on the bandwagon fleecing us rotten with their taxpayer subsidised windfarms and their carbon-trading; about the sour, anti-capitalist impulses of sandal-wearing vegans and lapsed Communists who loathe the idea of freedom and a functioning market economy.
We know it’s all a crock and we’re not going to take it.
This is our Berlin Wall moment! They can’t stop us now!"
Let's hope....
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/...
"I’ve just had a great, very sympathetic interview about Climategate on LBC radio (London’s main commercial news and talk station) with Petrie Hosken. She told me she has been simply inundated with callers, all of them utterly unconvinced that human influence has made any significant on so-called “Global Warming”. She was desperate to get a few balancing calls from people who do believe in AGW but just couldn’t find any.
Can you imagine this happening a year ago? Or even a month ago? Until Climategate, we “Sceptics” were considered freaks – almost as bad as Holocaust deniers – beyond the pale of reasonable balanced discussion. Suddenly we’re the norm. Climategate has finally given us the chance to express openly what many of us secretly felt all along:
AGW is about raising taxes; increasing state control; about a few canny hucksters who’ve leapt on the bandwagon fleecing us rotten with their taxpayer subsidised windfarms and their carbon-trading; about the sour, anti-capitalist impulses of sandal-wearing vegans and lapsed Communists who loathe the idea of freedom and a functioning market economy.
We know it’s all a crock and we’re not going to take it.
This is our Berlin Wall moment! They can’t stop us now!"
Let's hope....
turbobloke said:
Ali G said:
So here's a question..
Are you vetted before you take a degree in climatology?
Quite fancy taking some time off and getting stuck in! Although I may not be 'on message'
There's one item on the interviewer's clipboard these days:Are you vetted before you take a degree in climatology?
Quite fancy taking some time off and getting stuck in! Although I may not be 'on message'
Q: Do you want to save the pwanet?
A:
Yes I do want to save the Polar Bears! (Although they seem to be doing rather well)
deeps said:
Smith & Jones haha.
BBC1's The One Show at 7pm had Delia Smith as a guest. They were disussing the Cumbrian floods, and [b]Delia said she's taking it all very seriously now, wearing extra clothes and turning the heating down.[b]
There's nothing worse than watching gullible celebs preaching Man Made-up Global Warming.
Spoilt fBBC1's The One Show at 7pm had Delia Smith as a guest. They were disussing the Cumbrian floods, and [b]Delia said she's taking it all very seriously now, wearing extra clothes and turning the heating down.[b]
There's nothing worse than watching gullible celebs preaching Man Made-up Global Warming.
king we. I've run out of clothes and I wish I had some fking heating to turn up. yes yes yes, I just got off the phone to my ex and I'm feeling a bit grumpy
chris watton said:
"Climategate: this is our Berlin Wall moment!"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/...
"I’ve just had a great, very sympathetic interview about Climategate on LBC radio (London’s main commercial news and talk station) with Petrie Hosken. She told me she has been simply inundated with callers, all of them utterly unconvinced that human influence has made any significant on so-called “Global Warming”. She was desperate to get a few balancing calls from people who do believe in AGW but just couldn’t find any.
Can you imagine this happening a year ago? Or even a month ago? Until Climategate, we “Sceptics” were considered freaks – almost as bad as Holocaust deniers – beyond the pale of reasonable balanced discussion. Suddenly we’re the norm. Climategate has finally given us the chance to express openly what many of ussecretly openlyfeltknew and were discussing all along:
EFAhttp://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/...
"I’ve just had a great, very sympathetic interview about Climategate on LBC radio (London’s main commercial news and talk station) with Petrie Hosken. She told me she has been simply inundated with callers, all of them utterly unconvinced that human influence has made any significant on so-called “Global Warming”. She was desperate to get a few balancing calls from people who do believe in AGW but just couldn’t find any.
Can you imagine this happening a year ago? Or even a month ago? Until Climategate, we “Sceptics” were considered freaks – almost as bad as Holocaust deniers – beyond the pale of reasonable balanced discussion. Suddenly we’re the norm. Climategate has finally given us the chance to express openly what many of us
deeps said:
Smith & Jones haha.
BBC1's The One Show at 7pm had Delia Smith as a guest. They were disussing the Cumbrian floods, and Delia said she's taking it all very seriously now, wearing extra clothes and turning the heating down.
There's nothing worse than watching gullible celebs preaching Man Made-up Global Warming.
So far I think they have mentioned Climate Change everyday this week. Something tells me they have been told to go for it as much as possible atm. Shame they haven't mentioned the emails they they so obviously know about.BBC1's The One Show at 7pm had Delia Smith as a guest. They were disussing the Cumbrian floods, and Delia said she's taking it all very seriously now, wearing extra clothes and turning the heating down.
There's nothing worse than watching gullible celebs preaching Man Made-up Global Warming.
When Delia mentioned turning heating down I clicked mine up a notch to compensate. Let her get cold, stupid cow.
Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Thursday 26th November 21:26
Tangent Police said:
I would be interested in hearing about threads similar to this which are based in other countries. Particularly the US, if you can find any, link away.
fill yer boots!Oh, and this site has lots of stuff on the sun too - quite in-depth technically, but worth a read.
Sorry for the low brow link, but the BBC are still trying to push the whole carbon neutral BS to the plebs who listen to Radio 1.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ny7d3
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ny7d3
Project 644 said:
Sorry for the low brow link, but the BBC are still trying to push the whole carbon neutral BS to the plebs who listen to Radio 1.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ny7d3
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ny7d3
Beeb said:
Huw On His Carbon Neutral Record-Playing Bike
Someone tell Huw he exhales CO2...
The Excession said:
chris watton said:
"Climategate: this is our Berlin Wall moment!"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/...
"I’ve just had a great, very sympathetic interview about Climategate on LBC radio (London’s main commercial news and talk station) with Petrie Hosken. She told me she has been simply inundated with callers, all of them utterly unconvinced that human influence has made any significant on so-called “Global Warming”. She was desperate to get a few balancing calls from people who do believe in AGW but just couldn’t find any.
Can you imagine this happening a year ago? Or even a month ago? Until Climategate, we “Sceptics” were considered freaks – almost as bad as Holocaust deniers – beyond the pale of reasonable balanced discussion. Suddenly we’re the norm. Climategate has finally given us the chance to express openly what many of ussecretly openlyfeltknew and were discussing all along:
EFAhttp://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/...
"I’ve just had a great, very sympathetic interview about Climategate on LBC radio (London’s main commercial news and talk station) with Petrie Hosken. She told me she has been simply inundated with callers, all of them utterly unconvinced that human influence has made any significant on so-called “Global Warming”. She was desperate to get a few balancing calls from people who do believe in AGW but just couldn’t find any.
Can you imagine this happening a year ago? Or even a month ago? Until Climategate, we “Sceptics” were considered freaks – almost as bad as Holocaust deniers – beyond the pale of reasonable balanced discussion. Suddenly we’re the norm. Climategate has finally given us the chance to express openly what many of us
Guys, AGW is back on.
The BBC have resolved the issue so no need to doubt the science anymore:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8381317.stm
The BBC have resolved the issue so no need to doubt the science anymore:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8381317.stm
Oakey said:
Guys, AGW is back on.
The BBC have resolved the issue so no need to doubt the science anymore:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8381317.stm
Vigilantes with pitchforks required I think. The BBC have resolved the issue so no need to doubt the science anymore:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8381317.stm
This idiocy is totally and utterly a million miles from where it should be.
Anyone here able to give a brief synopsis of where these revelations actually sit in the big scheme of things at present?
I gather that the BBC et al are largely running around with their fingers in their ears, while the US and Australia is breaking out in a fit of debate, largely led by the usual right wing suspects which is to be expected because I am sure they cannot believe their luck..
But what happens next?
Can we really expect an investigation?
Will there be formal investigations over FOI abuses?
Or will it just fizzle away and the two camps will revert to type, lobbing grenades at each other while the status quo remains?
I gather that the BBC et al are largely running around with their fingers in their ears, while the US and Australia is breaking out in a fit of debate, largely led by the usual right wing suspects which is to be expected because I am sure they cannot believe their luck..
But what happens next?
Can we really expect an investigation?
Will there be formal investigations over FOI abuses?
Or will it just fizzle away and the two camps will revert to type, lobbing grenades at each other while the status quo remains?
Oakey said:
Guys, AGW is back on.
The BBC have resolved the issue so no need to doubt the science anymore:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8381317.stm
Michael Mann ... now where've I heard that name before..? The BBC have resolved the issue so no need to doubt the science anymore:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8381317.stm
Once again, the BBC show contempt for the populace and attempt to manipulate them via the "party line". 
Heads need to roll now. The BBC's bias is quickly becoming a very significant issue itself.
Putting a slant on things is all well and good. I can't explain this particular slant, as it appears to be in more than 4 dimensions.
Heads need to roll now. The BBC's bias is quickly becoming a very significant issue itself.
Putting a slant on things is all well and good. I can't explain this particular slant, as it appears to be in more than 4 dimensions.
JohnnyPanic said:
Oakey said:
Guys, AGW is back on.
The BBC have resolved the issue so no need to doubt the science anymore:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8381317.stm
Michael Mann ... now where've I heard that name before..? The BBC have resolved the issue so no need to doubt the science anymore:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8381317.stm
I mean, yes it's 'convenient' that they should discover the answer to this issue a week after their entire argument has been revealed to be flawed and their credibility has been brought to question, but let's not be skeptical, right?
mondeoman said:
Tangent Police said:
I would be interested in hearing about threads similar to this which are based in other countries. Particularly the US, if you can find any, link away.
fill yer boots!Oh, and this site has lots of stuff on the sun too - quite in-depth technically, but worth a read.
Steve said:
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Re: Breaking news: CRU server hacked
« Result #32 on Nov 21, 2009, 10:15am »
I'm not that bothered about whether scientists sought to evade intrusive FOIs or Russian tax (I'm sure everyone here pays every cent due, and follows all the laws of the land to the fullest extent). I'm interested in knowing if the science is moving in the right direction.
Reading the emails, what comes across to me is that:
1. The individual scientists think they are going about the science in the right way.
2. There is a lot of disagreement and discussion over quite controversial issues.
3. The scientists genuinely think that the sceptic science is ropey - and in the case of Douglass, either beyond incompetent or potentially as fraudulent as that S Korean gene scientist.
We already knew that a lot of climate scientists viewed various sceptics as dishonest and disingenuous denialists who are prepared to risk the planet to make a name for themselves or for a few bucks from oil and industry, and we already knew that they considered FOI requests to be an unjustified interruption on their time.
The bad case scenario would have been that their private reactions suggested that there were real major flaws in the conduct of the science *which would have major impacts on results*.
But none of the examples that have come out bear this out to me. Even the out of context statement about it being terrible that we can't explain current lack of warming is already in the public domain with various publications referring to it.
So it's not pretty to see, but I don't yet see anything substantive enough to impact on the actual science - there are no examples of duck houses, moat cleaning, house flipping and wisteria chopping.
Then, I've been spending my time reading the emails, and not seeing what other people have found. So I'll come back to this if anything more interesting crops up.
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,251
Location: Devon, UK
Re: Breaking news: CRU server hacked
« Result #32 on Nov 21, 2009, 10:15am »
I'm not that bothered about whether scientists sought to evade intrusive FOIs or Russian tax (I'm sure everyone here pays every cent due, and follows all the laws of the land to the fullest extent). I'm interested in knowing if the science is moving in the right direction.
Reading the emails, what comes across to me is that:
1. The individual scientists think they are going about the science in the right way.
2. There is a lot of disagreement and discussion over quite controversial issues.
3. The scientists genuinely think that the sceptic science is ropey - and in the case of Douglass, either beyond incompetent or potentially as fraudulent as that S Korean gene scientist.
We already knew that a lot of climate scientists viewed various sceptics as dishonest and disingenuous denialists who are prepared to risk the planet to make a name for themselves or for a few bucks from oil and industry, and we already knew that they considered FOI requests to be an unjustified interruption on their time.
The bad case scenario would have been that their private reactions suggested that there were real major flaws in the conduct of the science *which would have major impacts on results*.
But none of the examples that have come out bear this out to me. Even the out of context statement about it being terrible that we can't explain current lack of warming is already in the public domain with various publications referring to it.
So it's not pretty to see, but I don't yet see anything substantive enough to impact on the actual science - there are no examples of duck houses, moat cleaning, house flipping and wisteria chopping.
Then, I've been spending my time reading the emails, and not seeing what other people have found. So I'll come back to this if anything more interesting crops up.
Hopefully, soon we'll be able to have windfarms anywhere, that'll solve the impending energy crisis. Who cares if they're noisy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8379970.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8379970.stm
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