Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations

[Xenocide]

Media hit:

http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-County-Conse...

Will mirror just incase

[ludo]

Guam said:

Just as a Humourous aside How many gavins are their in climate Science related subjects in the UK, I keep stumbling accross that name everywhere on the PRo AGW camp, even Our Ludo is apparrently called Gavin

Do you need to be called Gavin to be A Climate Scientist now then

Just before anyone piles in, its a Joke People

I seem to remember there is a Gavin index plot somewhere, which shows a high correllation between the number of people called Gavin and global temperatures! Mea maxima culpa, it's all my fault (well me and the other Gavins anyway).

[G_T]

Anyone else find it strange that reasonably intelligent people would chose to painstakingly document any wrong doing? 1000+ times? I'm hardly the brain of Britain but even I know better than that.

I guess the phrase "innocent until proven guilty", holds true here although I do think under the circumstances they should grant access to their emails/files by an independant third party to confirm whether the leak was genuine or not.

Like everything else about this climate change business I remain sceptical.

[FunkyGibbon]

ludo said:

FunkyGibbon said:

ludo said:

The implications of the emails is that the scientists are deliberately fraudulent in the performing the science, which as I have said isn't a game that is likely to pay off for them if they know what they are saying to be untrue.

That's what I meant re: pay masters and flexibility. A lot of people have a lot of money tied up in this, so quite easy to believe that some decisions could be driven by financial agendas rather than science.

Doubtful, if financial benefit was a key driver for them, they wouldn't be academics, it simply isn't paid all that well.

I know many academics (not in climate science admittedly) who are paid a (relative) pittance by the university, but are multi-millionaires paid by their project sponsors, and/or venture capital spin-offs. So there certainly can be a financial factor.

[B Oeuf]

G_T said:

I guess the phrase "innocent until proven guilty", holds true here

I'm loving the irony in this

[AshVX220]

Xenocide said:

Media hit:

http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-County-Conse...

Will mirror just incase

Can someone please get the links TB posted to the Telegraph? It must make the public domain on a bigger scale by the end of the day surely.

[james_tigerwoods]

I'm posting in here to keep track of what's going on - but I wonder how this will shake out.

In fact, I'll put money down that there will be strong debunking on this with lots of contradicting "correct" evidence being presented and this being marked as the work of "oil hungry, gas guzzling climate killers".

[G_T]

B Oeuf said:

G_T said:

I guess the phrase "innocent until proven guilty", holds true here

I'm loving the irony in this

How's that ironic?

[B Oeuf]

AshVX220 said:

Xenocide said:

Media hit:

http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-County-Conse...

Will mirror just incase

Can someone please get the links TB posted to the Telegraph? It must make the public domain on a bigger scale by the end of the day surely.

it's bloody impossible to simply email and editor these days

[turbobloke]

B Oeuf said:

AshVX220 said:

Xenocide said:

Media hit:

http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-County-Conse...

Will mirror just incase

Can someone please get the links TB posted to the Telegraph? It must make the public domain on a bigger scale by the end of the day surely.

it's bloody impossible to simply email and editor these days

http://www.mng.org.uk/gh/resources/media_email_fax_list.htm

[AshVX220]

turbobloke said:

B Oeuf said:

AshVX220 said:

Xenocide said:

Media hit:

http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-County-Conse...

Will mirror just incase

Can someone please get the links TB posted to the Telegraph? It must make the public domain on a bigger scale by the end of the day surely.

it's bloody impossible to simply email and editor these days

http://www.mng.org.uk/gh/resources/media_email_fax_list.htm

So, has anyone sent them the links, or shall I? Or should we all do it? For a start it won't be properly investigated until it's in the mainstream.

[MX-Si]

B Oeuf said:

AshVX220 said:

Xenocide said:

Media hit:

http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-County-Conse...

Will mirror just incase

Can someone please get the links TB posted to the Telegraph? It must make the public domain on a bigger scale by the end of the day surely.

it's bloody impossible to simply email and editor these days

Christopher Booker is the guy to contact at the Telegraph as he's always looking at 'Climate Change'. He also carries articles from WUWT so I'd be surprised if he's not pouring over this already.

I've sent The Register a link to the WUWT article as they sometimes take the piss out of the Global Warming community. Whether they publish it or not I don't know.

[rovermorris999]

I hope it's true but I remember the Hitler Diaries.

[plasticpig]

This looks like genuine data to me. The emails could be a hoax but the data provided in the documents directory is consistent. There is data that appears to be for a couple of GIS systems one of which I have confirmed is valid (it loads into the software). There also appears to be Terramodel data which is a geographical modelling and survey system. I don't recognize some of the other data formats but I reckon it will all found to be genuine.

The properties from the MS Word and Excel documents have a range of authors and sources with diffrent software versions. If it is a hoax someone has put an enormous amount of effort into it.

[G_T]

Guam said:

ludo said:

Guam said:

Just as a Humourous aside How many gavins are their in climate Science related subjects in the UK, I keep stumbling accross that name everywhere on the PRo AGW camp, even Our Ludo is apparrently called Gavin

Do you need to be called Gavin to be A Climate Scientist now then

Just before anyone piles in, its a Joke People

I seem to remember there is a Gavin index plot somewhere, which shows a high correllation between the number of people called Gavin and global temperatures! Mea maxima culpa, it's all my fault (well me and the other Gavins anyway).

Actually its funny how that works in terms of name clustering in occupations, in our industry (PPF) we had a spell where just about everyone you spoke to from the various manufactures was called steve.

I reckon there may be a Statistical rule on it somewhere Ludo

I rember seeing a graphy showing a positive correlation with number of Ipods sold versus Incidence of bowel cancer in developed countries.

Dangerous things thems Ipods.

[leon_t]

IL_JDM said:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

someonefromawebsite said:

British Barry says:
This is an obvious hoax.

Sorry, but there is no Hadley Climatic Research Centre at the University of East Anglia.

The University of East Anglia has a Climatic Research Unit, which is based at the University, which is in Norwich, Norfolk.
True

Meanwhile, the British Government's Met Office has a Hadley Centre which looks at climate change. This is not part of the University of East Anglia, and is based several hundred miles away in Exeter, Devon.
Also true

Given this fundamental factual error in the article, should we trust any of it?
November 20, 5:49 AM

Climatic Research Unit: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/

Hadley unit: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/...

I'll sit on my hands for a while now and see how it develops.

Edited by IL_JDM on Friday 20th November 11:30

AshVX220 said:

So, has anyone sent them the links, or shall I? Or should we all do it? For a start it won't be properly investigated until it's in the mainstream.

The more people that shout about, the more likely it is to be reported on, surely?

Edited by IL_JDM on Friday 20th November 11:32

From what I understand, thats a mistake by the author of the article and nothing to do with the actual link?

[turbobloke]

IL_JDM said:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

someonefromawebsite said:

British Barry says:
This is an obvious hoax.

Sorry, but there is no Hadley Climatic Research Centre at the University of East Anglia.

The University of East Anglia has a Climatic Research Unit, which is based at the University, which is in Norwich, Norfolk.
True

Meanwhile, the British Government's Met Office has a Hadley Centre which looks at climate change. This is not part of the University of East Anglia, and is based several hundred miles away in Exeter, Devon.
Also true

Given this fundamental factual error in the article, should we trust any of it?
November 20, 5:49 AM

Climatic Research Unit: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/

Hadley unit: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/...

I'll sit on my hands for a while now and see how it develops.

Some time around 9am today on this thread I said:

Also worth noting that much web coverage is referring to this as 'Hadley' but Hadley is UKMO, this is UEA CRU.

[james_tigerwoods]

What if this is a really elaborate hoax designed to make us all think Climate change isn't real only for the whole thing to be debunked and for us all to then accept the real truth?

Does anyone have a link to the documents that isn't a (work blocked) torrent?

[SkinnyBoy]

Awesome if its true which by all accounts it is. I'm going through the files now, that Rules pdf is straight out of 1984! I hope sincerely that its genuine and somebody prints it all out on a v8 powered printer and tw@ts Monbiot with it in the street!

[MX-Si]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I think I could have written that better.