Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations

Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations

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anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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TankRizzo said:
YOU IDIOT WOMAN, THE FLOODING IS NOTHING TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING

JESUS
No not Jesus you mean Noah laugh


JohnnyPanic

1,282 posts

208 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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*sigh* I'm off for a whisky

VxDuncan

2,850 posts

233 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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JohnnyPanic said:
Well said man in the stripey shirt!
TB cleans up well doesn't he!*

  • any evidence to link TB to that bloke is statistically insignificant
Quite scary the shock to the audience of the suggestion that AGW was unproven. That whole room appears to have swallowed the story hook,line and sinker.

sstw

1,043 posts

186 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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Arrrgh no I've missed it! Can anyone give a summary?

Guy Torf Myland

853 posts

189 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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Dimbleby made a real effort to keep that one on topic. None of them bar the Mail bag (hmm) mentioned the CRU, as per the question.

Wonder how Marcus Brigstocke got halfway across the world to empathise with the Innuit. Fly, did you Marcus, you fat-arsed bellend?

Westy Pre-Lit

5,087 posts

202 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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The amount of time spent on that issue and washed over as if they meant nothing, they weren't even explained FFS. This just shows the utter contempt they have for the general public.

That was outrageous.

Muncher

12,219 posts

248 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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Does anyone else think that the brainwashing has gone too far and that regardless of the science disproving it for our generation at least war is "lost" as the bandwagon has gained too much momentum?

Plotloss

67,280 posts

269 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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Muncher said:
Does anyone else think that the brainwashing has gone too far and that regardless of the science disproving it for our generation at least war is "lost" as the bandwagon has gained too much momentum?
At least one person per page for the last 135 pages or so hehe

jgmadkit

548 posts

248 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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She patronised the audience, from that point on it was game over.

dangerousB

1,693 posts

189 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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I'll try.
I had no idea who Marcus Brigstock was before the programme started and I no longer care.
Nicola Sturgeon was as nauseating as she always is, David Davis was insipid and hinted, but didn't speak what he felt he should enunciate.
Charlie Faulkner . . . well, words could only just touch on the vitriol I feel for that . . .
The bird from The Daily Mail was spot on, but unfortunately the hand picked audience (as it would appear from the derision that ensued) didn't agree.
What did you expect from the BBC?

JohnnyPanic

1,282 posts

208 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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I'm guessing the audience is made up of BBC loving Grauniad readers anyhow, so would have thus far had no exposure to the CRU hack, let only any freedom of thought.

dangerousB

1,693 posts

189 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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JohnnyPanic said:
I'm guessing the audience is made up of BBC loving Grauniad readers anyhow, so would have thus far had no exposure to the CRU hack, let only any freedom of thought.
fking spot on biglaugh

whoami

13,151 posts

239 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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dangerousB said:
I'll try.
I had no idea who Marcus Brigstock was before the programme started and I no longer care.
Nicola Sturgeon was as nauseating as she always is, David Davis was insipid and hinted, but didn't speak what he felt he should enunciate.
Charlie Faulkner . . . well, words could only just touch on the vitriol I feel for that . . .
The bird from The Daily Mail was spot on, but unfortunately the hand picked audience (as it would appear from the derision that ensued) didn't agree.
What did you expect from the BBC?
How do you know?

JohnnyPanic

1,282 posts

208 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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whoami said:
dangerousB said:
I'll try.
I had no idea who Marcus Brigstock was before the programme started and I no longer care.
Nicola Sturgeon was as nauseating as she always is, David Davis was insipid and hinted, but didn't speak what he felt he should enunciate.
Charlie Faulkner . . . well, words could only just touch on the vitriol I feel for that . . .
The bird from The Daily Mail was spot on, but unfortunately the hand picked audience (as it would appear from the derision that ensued) didn't agree.
What did you expect from the BBC?
How do you know?
He looked very much like he was holding back

TankRizzo

7,247 posts

192 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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I got the feeling when Melanie Phillips was talking about the CRU leaks, that the audience did not have a scooby-doo what she was talking about.

turbobloke

Original Poster:

103,741 posts

259 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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TankRizzo said:
YOU IDIOT WOMAN, THE FLOODING IS NOTHING TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING

JESUS
Correct!

These flood lies are beyond a joke.

Singular extreme weather events CANNOT be linked to climate change for a number of reasons not least the very wide range of natural variability.

Flooding was worse in the past.

18 July 1955: nearly 12 inches of rain fell in 24 hours over parts of Dorset
29 May 1920: a sudden 5 inches of rain fell on Louth in only 3 hours, almost razing the town and killing 23 people in less than an hour.
Both occurred at lower and much lower carbon dioxide levels. No causality anywhere to be seen.

More generally:


UK


Summer 2007 Floods: A Very Singular Event - 11th March 2008

A new scientific study of the wet summer of 2007 confirms that the floods were a very singular event and does not support the idea that the exceptional river flooding was linked to climate change. This conclusion is contained within a comprehensive hydrological appraisal of the summer 2007 floods carried out by scientists from the Centre for Ecology & Hydrology.

The new report, The summer 2007 floods in England and Wales − a hydrological appraisal, brings together both flood and meteorological data and systematically breaks down the series of events leading to extensive river flooding, which had no close modern parallel for the June-August period across the UK.

Lead author, Terry Marsh, comments: “The river floods of summer 2007 were a very singular episode, which does not form part of any clear historical trend or show consistency with currently favoured climate change scenarios.” (my emphasis)

The report complements a recent paper on flood trends in the UK, which was led by Jamie Hannaford at the Centre for Ecology & Hydrology and published in the International Journal of Climatology late in 2007.

Mr Marsh continues: “Extreme flooding in the UK is historically rare but vulnerability to flooding has increased markedly as a consequence of floodplain development. This is despite increased resilience to flood risk through improved flood alleviation strategies and more sophisticated flood warning capabilities.”

The new study is an output from the National Hydrological Monitoring Programme (NHMP), operated jointly by the Centre for Ecology & Hydrology and the British Geological Survey.

Full Report


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Prof Pielke Jr said:
J. I. Barredo of the European Commission published an interesting paper earlier this year titled, "Normalized Flood Losses in Europe: 1970-2006" (PDF) in the open access journal Natural hazards and Earth System Sciences of the EGU. The study looks at a relatively short period, 37 years, but its findings are interesting nonetheless. Here are a few excerpts (emphasis added):

Following the conceptual approach of previous studies, we normalised flood losses by considering the effects of changes in population, wealth, and inflation at the country level. Furthermore, we removed inter-country price differences by adjusting the losses for purchasing power parities (PPP). We assessed normalised flood losses in 31 European countries. These include the member states of the European Union, Norway, Switzerland, Croatia, and the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

Results show no detectable sign of human-induced climate change in normalised flood losses in Europe. The observed increase in the original flood losses is mostly driven by societal factors.
That's it. No evidence whatsoever for the flood-related glandular brain-dead utterances of gullible or culpable fools.

Edited by turbobloke on Thursday 26th November 23:41

Westy Pre-Lit

5,087 posts

202 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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JohnnyPanic

1,282 posts

208 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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Westy Pre-Lit said:
hehe A little bit verbose, but a good point smile

JohnnyPanic

1,282 posts

208 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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Talking about it on This Week on BBC1 now

ETA: Over now ... that was long lasting!

Edited by JohnnyPanic on Thursday 26th November 23:46

srebbe64

13,021 posts

236 months

Thursday 26th November 2009
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It's getting discussed on This Week - Portillo is talking sense!