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br d said:
I think Silver is absolutely right about those money grabbing Kercher b*stards, they must have been rubbing their hands together when they heard their beautiful, innocent daughter had been slaughtered by a bunch of sexual deviants.
Tit.
Whoa there. Don't tar us all as murdering nut jobs!Tit.
This is hardly PH debating at its best, is it?
A young woman died and lives have been ruined. Aside from that, this is dramatic stuff. Although the evidence was limited to relatively circumstantial issues, the fact remains that Knox & co had little to say by way of adequate defence, there was DNA and, critically, a dead woman in the bedroom that has not been explained away.
That Knox is now in prison is hardly a surprise.
A young woman died and lives have been ruined. Aside from that, this is dramatic stuff. Although the evidence was limited to relatively circumstantial issues, the fact remains that Knox & co had little to say by way of adequate defence, there was DNA and, critically, a dead woman in the bedroom that has not been explained away.
That Knox is now in prison is hardly a surprise.
toppstuff said:
This is hardly PH debating at its best, is it?
A young woman died and lives have been ruined. Aside from that, this is dramatic stuff. Although the evidence was limited to relatively circumstantial issues, the fact remains that Knox & co had little to say by way of adequate defence, there was DNA and, critically, a dead woman in the bedroom that has not been explained away.
That Knox is now in prison is hardly a surprise.
The DNA evidence was pretty weak was it not. I'm not sure anyone really knows what happenned. I suspect the bright light of Italian truth and justice shining on matters didn't help.A young woman died and lives have been ruined. Aside from that, this is dramatic stuff. Although the evidence was limited to relatively circumstantial issues, the fact remains that Knox & co had little to say by way of adequate defence, there was DNA and, critically, a dead woman in the bedroom that has not been explained away.
That Knox is now in prison is hardly a surprise.
Piginapoke said:
Is that story of her doing handstands in the custody suite, after being arrested for murder, true?
If so, must be a nutter.
Fit though.
Either a nutter or as high as kite which is probably a lot more likely. I've thought right from the off that someone in the Italian police seriously goofed up the drug tests and possibly hid the results. From what I can see her behaviour and that of everyone else that night would suggest the use of some fairly strong medicine. Doesn't in any away excuse what they did, might just supply a bit more of a motive.If so, must be a nutter.
Fit though.
Doesn't matter though in the end. A young girl still died, I just think that we will never know the full story.
Does anyone know what Rudy Guede, the guy who pleaded guilty, said happened? I would have thought he would have nothing to lose by telling the truth?
The septics are up in arms, but as one of them said if she wanted to be tried by American justice she should have murdered over there not in Italy.
The septics are up in arms, but as one of them said if she wanted to be tried by American justice she should have murdered over there not in Italy.
lost in espace said:
Does anyone know what Rudy Guede, the guy who pleaded guilty, said happened? I would have thought he would have nothing to lose by telling the truth?
The septics are up in arms, but as one of them said if she wanted to be tried by American justice she should have murdered over there not in Italy.
IIRC Guede claims to have been on the toilet at the time of the murder but was convicted as he was present and had been part of the preamble and therefore culpable. He chose to be tried seperately from the others and on a "fast track" as he feared that Knox and her boyfriend would conspire against him to try and save themselves if they were all tried together.The septics are up in arms, but as one of them said if she wanted to be tried by American justice she should have murdered over there not in Italy.
toppstuff said:
This is hardly PH debating at its best, is it?
A young woman died and lives have been ruined. Aside from that, this is dramatic stuff. Although the evidence was limited to relatively circumstantial issues, the fact remains that Knox & co had little to say by way of adequate defence, there was DNA and, critically, a dead woman in the bedroom that has not been explained away.
That Knox is now in prison is hardly a surprise.
to be fair the media presentation of this event has been fairly pathetic too.A young woman died and lives have been ruined. Aside from that, this is dramatic stuff. Although the evidence was limited to relatively circumstantial issues, the fact remains that Knox & co had little to say by way of adequate defence, there was DNA and, critically, a dead woman in the bedroom that has not been explained away.
That Knox is now in prison is hardly a surprise.
Its bordering on a louise woodward style level of occult sympathy where someone who looks a certain way can "surely do no wrong"
If she is guilty, and it looks like she was, and now has been convicted.. she deserves everything she gets, however much "you would"
lost in espace said:
Does anyone know what Rudy Guede, the guy who pleaded guilty, said happened? I would have thought he would have nothing to lose by telling the truth?
The septics are up in arms, but as one of them said if she wanted to be tried by American justice she should have murdered over there not in Italy.
he intends to appeal, so he will not want to incriminate himself. he reckons he was on the bog listening to his ipodThe septics are up in arms, but as one of them said if she wanted to be tried by American justice she should have murdered over there not in Italy.
jas xjr said:
lost in espace said:
Does anyone know what Rudy Guede, the guy who pleaded guilty, said happened? I would have thought he would have nothing to lose by telling the truth?
The septics are up in arms, but as one of them said if she wanted to be tried by American justice she should have murdered over there not in Italy.
he intends to appeal, so he will not want to incriminate himself. he reckons he was on the bog listening to his ipodThe septics are up in arms, but as one of them said if she wanted to be tried by American justice she should have murdered over there not in Italy.
Chinny-reckon.
I've been following this terrible story in the Telegraph. They have some excellent analysis that people should read.
There are unanswered questions.
There will be an appeal.
I, for on, await it's outcome with genuine interest and sadness. A young woman lost her life. It would be terrible if another did so - and was not guilty.
Having said this an Italian court found her guilty. We weren't in the courtroom and didn't see all the evidence. They did.
There are unanswered questions.
There will be an appeal.
I, for on, await it's outcome with genuine interest and sadness. A young woman lost her life. It would be terrible if another did so - and was not guilty.
Having said this an Italian court found her guilty. We weren't in the courtroom and didn't see all the evidence. They did.
Don said:
I've been following this terrible story in the Telegraph. They have some excellent analysis that people should read.
There are unanswered questions.
There will be an appeal.
I, for on, await it's outcome with genuine interest and sadness. A young woman lost her life. It would be terrible if another did so - and was not guilty.
Having said this an Italian court found her guilty. We weren't in the courtroom and didn't see all the evidence. They did.
For some who like a good murder I haven't really read too much on the Kercher trial, but earlier this year I did read "The Monster of Florence" by Douglas Preston & Mario Spezi. Later editions have an extra bit at the end about how that investigation ties in with the Meredith Kercher case (same investigator), and I started to feel for Amanda Knox and what would be the resulting outcome. The book did make me wonder how reliable the investigation/evidence was.There are unanswered questions.
There will be an appeal.
I, for on, await it's outcome with genuine interest and sadness. A young woman lost her life. It would be terrible if another did so - and was not guilty.
Having said this an Italian court found her guilty. We weren't in the courtroom and didn't see all the evidence. They did.
Of course they could all be guilty and they got the right people but I have some doubts. I will go and read the Telegraph stuff though.
It does seem that the evidence wasn't particularly strong, and there's not that much of it. Wacky behaviour obviously does not make someone guilty. Aren't there people who go into police stations and claim that they've committed murders when they actually haven't? Now that's weird - but at the end of the day they didn't do it. So guilt and funny behaviour is not good enough evidence - people act funny under stress - so I would be looking at the forensics, and there just is not enough of it.
If it should go either way, perhaps it should be that the defendant is released, and the police should 'lose' (although everyone has already lost really) due to their mistakes.
Do they know who cleaned up the scene and made it look like a robbery? Was it knox? If so then that's pretty damning.
If it should go either way, perhaps it should be that the defendant is released, and the police should 'lose' (although everyone has already lost really) due to their mistakes.
Do they know who cleaned up the scene and made it look like a robbery? Was it knox? If so then that's pretty damning.
its an interesting case
and it could well be a terrible miscarriage of justice (how good is the italian legal system ?)
but i cant help thinking: "no smoke without fire"
if it had been me sharing a room with her as a student, you can bet i wouldn't have been charged with murder
why ? Because I would have had an alibi, dozens of people would have witnessed me somewhere else at the time of the murder, I wouldn't have had furious mobile phone texting sessions during the time and after the murder, I wouldnt have done cartwheels whilst waiting to be questioned by police, i woukldnt have changed my story so much, and i wouldnt have implicated a bertender who had nothing to do with any of it
i have to agree though that the knife was a poor bit of evidence
not only does some of the wounds not match the knife but also there was a blood print showing the shape of the murder weapon on the beadclothes and it wasnt the shape of the knife used in the trial.. and the amount of kercher dna on the tip is suspect, that part of it sounds like Colin Stagg all over again
and it could well be a terrible miscarriage of justice (how good is the italian legal system ?)
but i cant help thinking: "no smoke without fire"
if it had been me sharing a room with her as a student, you can bet i wouldn't have been charged with murder
why ? Because I would have had an alibi, dozens of people would have witnessed me somewhere else at the time of the murder, I wouldn't have had furious mobile phone texting sessions during the time and after the murder, I wouldnt have done cartwheels whilst waiting to be questioned by police, i woukldnt have changed my story so much, and i wouldnt have implicated a bertender who had nothing to do with any of it
i have to agree though that the knife was a poor bit of evidence
not only does some of the wounds not match the knife but also there was a blood print showing the shape of the murder weapon on the beadclothes and it wasnt the shape of the knife used in the trial.. and the amount of kercher dna on the tip is suspect, that part of it sounds like Colin Stagg all over again
toppstuff said:
the fact remains that Knox & co had little to say by way of adequate defence
If you were totally unconnected to a murder except that you shared a house with the victim, you'd probably struggle to find a defence to whatever accusations were levelled against you too.'There's DNA on this kitchen knife'. Of course there was, they shared a house.
Having said that, if your liberty is at stake, surely you'd rise to the challenge?
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