Amanda Knox

[Tony*T3]

Gaz. said:

Why was the knife at Sollecito's apartment? If it was found in Amanda & Meredith's kitchen drawer then it could be explained easily but people ask questions when it looks like they are hiding something.

It's odd that there has been very little media interest in Sollecito & almost none in Guede despite all three being found guilty of the same crime.

The knife found hasn't actually been positivly identified as the murder weapon.

DNA evidence at the scene placing Knox there is pretty weak.

No DNA evidence placing Solecitto.

Someone else (Rudi bloke) already convicted of the murder.

Now two others convicted of the same murder.

Normally, someone in a group thats accussed would break down and accuse one of the others. Hasnt happened.

Police pretty certain Kercher stabbed by one person.

2 + 2 deosnt always seem to make four.

[F i F]

However even now back in USA they aren't putting up a very convincing case for the appeal, mainly consisting of bad mouthing the Italians, and the mother saying my daughter is so lovely she must be innocent, and is crying herself to sleep each night.

That's about the sum total of their appeal case at the moment.

[unrepentant]

Tony*T3 said:

The knife found hasn't actually been positivly identified as the murder weapon.

DNA evidence at the scene placing Knox there is pretty weak.

No DNA evidence placing Solecitto.

Someone else (Rudi bloke) already convicted of the murder.

Now two others convicted of the same murder.

Normally, someone in a group thats accussed would break down and accuse one of the others. Hasnt happened.

Police pretty certain Kercher stabbed by one person.

2 + 2 deosnt always seem to make four.

Guede did accuse the others.

Difficult for Knox / Solecitto to try and blame Guede (although their lawyers tried) as Knox already tried unsuccessfully to frame up Diya Lumumba, a totally innocent party, something for which she has also to pay damages. Knox actually claimed to have been in the cottage whilst Lumumba killed Kercher when in fact Lumumba was not there and played no part in any of it. Hardly the actions of an innocent.

Knox and Solecitto came back to the house that night and faked a break in to try and make it look like someone else did it.

Nobody has suggested that more than 1 person, Knox, stabbed Kercher.

Murder weapon found in Solecittos flat. (The defence claim as you have said that it's not the murder weapon but the prosecution, judges (2) and jury are satisfied that it is. The appeal judges will rule on it I guess).

Solecittos DNA found on Kerchers bra strap.

Bloody footprints belonging to Knox and Solcitto found in the cottage using Luminol testing that proved that they were there post mortem, something they denied.

The other thing that I believe is important is that Madeline Kerchers parents are entirely satisfied that their daughters killers have been caught and are behind bars. These are intelligent educated people who, having got over their initial traumatic grief, will have been most concerned to know that the RIGHT people are convicted for murdering their daughter. And they will have microscopically examined every word uttered and every statement made.

I'm sure that Italian justice will be proved to have got this absolutely right.

[jackal]

unrepentant said:

Tony*T3 said:

The knife found hasn't actually been positivly identified as the murder weapon.

DNA evidence at the scene placing Knox there is pretty weak.

No DNA evidence placing Solecitto.

Someone else (Rudi bloke) already convicted of the murder.

Now two others convicted of the same murder.

Normally, someone in a group thats accussed would break down and accuse one of the others. Hasnt happened.

Police pretty certain Kercher stabbed by one person.

2 + 2 deosnt always seem to make four.

Guede did accuse the others.

Difficult for Knox / Solecitto to try and blame Guede (although their lawyers tried) as Knox already tried unsuccessfully to frame up Diya Lumumba, a totally innocent party, something for which she has also to pay damages. Knox actually claimed to have been in the cottage whilst Lumumba killed Kercher when in fact Lumumba was not there and played no part in any of it. Hardly the actions of an innocent.

Knox and Solecitto came back to the house that night and faked a break in to try and make it look like someone else did it.

Nobody has suggested that more than 1 person, Knox, stabbed Kercher.

Murder weapon found in Solecittos flat. (The defence claim as you have said that it's not the murder weapon but the prosecution, judges (2) and jury are satisfied that it is. The appeal judges will rule on it I guess).

Solecittos DNA found on Kerchers bra strap.

Bloody footprints belonging to Knox and Solcitto found in the cottage using Luminol testing that proved that they were there post mortem, something they denied.

The other thing that I believe is important is that Madeline Kerchers parents are entirely satisfied that their daughters killers have been caught and are behind bars. These are intelligent educated people who, having got over their initial traumatic grief, will have been most concerned to know that the RIGHT people are convicted for murdering their daughter. And they will have microscopically examined every word uttered and every statement made.

I'm sure that Italian justice will be proved to have got this absolutely right.

terrible shame the way these cases are played out in the media

but i'm with you on this, ultimately there is just far too much hocus pocus that went on

[Mon Ami Mate]

Clinton will get Obama involved. Obama will make a heartfelt plea to whoever the Italian Prime Minister is this minute. They will agree to send her to the USA to serve her sentence. As soon as she gets to the USA she will appeal the sentence and will be released after the evidence is torn apart. In a year she'll be flipping out her fattyclappers in Playboy and dating an All-Star American Quarterback/NASCAR racer. And the Kercher family will get nothing.

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 8th December 12:16

[SJobson]

unrepentant said:

The other thing that I believe is important is that Madeline Kerchers parents are entirely satisfied that their daughters killers have been caught and are behind bars. These are intelligent educated people who, having got over their initial traumatic grief, will have been most concerned to know that the RIGHT people are convicted for murdering their daughter. And they will have microscopically examined every word uttered and every statement made.

I am afraid that, while I agree with most of your post, I am sceptical about this bit. No matter how long after the event and how intelligent and rational the family of the victim usually are, I don't see how they could divorce themselves from the event sufficiently for their opinion to be worth anything.

[miguel38]

I wonder how long it is until Berlusconi announces that she is to stay in a private prison for her safety and that he will personally see that she is treated with respect, if I was him that would be my plan…

[pkitchen]

terrible shame the way these cases are played out in the media

but i'm with you on this, ultimately there is just far too much hocus pocus that went on
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That's a song by Focus

[F i F]

anonymous said:

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This ^^^ to the power (n+1)

[unrepentant]

anonymous said:

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The US do extradite people to the UK and it's hardly fair to blame them because Bliar signed a one sided extradition treaty. The Nat West 3 did commit crimes under US law, they were not crimes under UK law at the time. Again it's the weak UK government that should be blamed for extraditing them. (They were also 3 crooked individuals who are unworthy of sympathy IMO). The McKinnon case is going to judicial review but again, it's the British Home Secretary who ruled that he should be extradited.

As for OJ, (or Michael Jackson) no comment........

[unrepentant]

anonymous said:

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I'm not disagreeing with most of what you say. I just think you should be directing your ire at the fawningly compliant British government who had the power to refuse to sign a one sided extradition treaty and could have refused to extradite the Enron 3. They could and should refuse to extradite McKinnon (they have a perfect excuse in his conveniently diagnosed asbergers) but they wont unless made to as a result of the judicial review. However, from what I have read McKinnon is far from the innocent that he has been painted as and definitely has a case to answer. But it is for the British government to ensure that he remains in Britain to take a proportionate punishment.

[rypt]

Airbag said:

crofty1984 said:

TankRizzo said:

Airbag said:

How did this thread get to two pages without pictures?

Threat of it ending badly...

Still would.

Wouldn't mind Knoxing boots with that?

Indeed, still would

Though I'd keep the knives away

[Mclovin]

i can see it in her eyes...

[br d]

Mon Ami Mate said:

Clinton will get Obama involved. Obama will make a heartfelt plea to whoever the Italian Prime Minister is this minute. They will agree to send her to the USA to serve her sentence. As soon as she gets to the USA she will appeal the sentence and will be released after the evidence is torn apart. In a year she'll be flipping out her fattyclappers in Playboy and dating an All-Star American Quarterback/NASCAR racer. And the Kercher family will get nothing.

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 8th December 12:16

Mon Ami that makes me shudder but I have little doubt it could come to pass.

Pity Meredith didn't have a shotgun handy like the american lady on the other thread.

[Talksteer]

fadeaway said:

Silver993tt said:

Luke. said:

Silver993tt said:

Still, at least the Kercher family have now become millionaires overnight but they insist they're not interested in the money No problem then, simply donate it all to charity

Edited by Silver993tt on Saturday 5th December 14:19

I don't get this. Where's the money actually coming from?

the money will come from the parent of Knox & her boyfriend. So, destroys two more families. Money, money, money.... that's all people think of now. I hop she gets off on appeal just so the other family doesn't get a penny.

I don't think anyone will get any payouts over this. They're symbolic more than anything else. Knox doesn't have any money - her family claim to be broke after funding the trial, plus need more money for an appeal - and the payment would be from her anyway, not her family.

Yep, there is no way in hell that you can extract money from the parents of an adult due to something their child has done. Even if there were a mechanism in (weird) Italian law the Knox's are American so any of their assets would lie outside of the courts jurisdiction.

[vz-r_dave]

Funny how so may assume she is Guilty, how on earth 3 different people can be charged with murder in this case is odd. The whole case is a joke, infact I dont think i'll be going to Italy in the near future or ever again in fear of getting fked over by a st policing system.

[whoami]

vz-r_dave said:

Funny how so may assume she is Guilty, how on earth 3 different people can be charged with murder in this case is odd. The whole case is a joke, infact I dont think i'll be going to Italy in the near future or ever again in fear of getting fked over by a st policing system.

You are right to be fearful. That's an everyday occurrence.

[unrepentant]

vz-r_dave said:

Funny how so may assume she is Guilty, how on earth 3 different people can be charged with murder in this case is odd. The whole case is a joke, infact I dont think i'll be going to Italy in the near future or ever again in fear of getting fked over by a st policing system.

Eh? It's called joint enterprise and is the same in the UK as it is in Italy. Ever heard of Derek Bentley? 10 people can be charged with murder even if only one pulls the trigger if they were all party to the act and aware of the intent.

I doubt that Italy will miss you.

[Uhura_Fighter]

vz-r_dave said:

Funny how so may assume she is Guilty, how on earth 3 different people can be charged with murder in this case is odd. The whole case is a joke, infact I dont think i'll be going to Italy in the near future or ever again in fear of getting fked over by a st policing system.

EDLT said:

Baby Huey said:

I can't see how she deserves this sentence.

How can 3 people murder one person?

Quite easily, here is three people convicted of murdering one person in the UK:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1575823/The...

I suppose two of them are innocent in your eyes?

HTH

[munky]

anonymous said:

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That's what I thought until I read the Extradition Act 2003, which enshrines (among other things) the US-UK treaty in law. The new treaty is actually fairer - previously the US had to show prima facie evidence (quite onerous) whereas we only had to show probable cause. So in was very much tipped in our favour. Now, they no longer have to show prima facie evidence, only reasonable suspicion. Which is pretty close to being equal, and (apparently) is as equal as can be, without changing the US Constitution.