Amanda Knox

[Dr Jekyll]

Chlamydia said:

Oh for god's sake you're just not getting it are you? Q: is she legally guilty?

No, the verdict still has to be confirmed. But that isn't the point anyway. We ALL (not just you) know she was convicted by a court. What we are discussing, perfectly legitimately, is how the court came to their conclusion.

[Welshbeef]

Dr Jekyll said:

Chlamydia said:

Oh for god's sake you're just not getting it are you? Q: is she legally guilty?

No, the verdict still has to be confirmed. But that isn't the point anyway. We ALL (not just you) know she was convicted by a court. What we are discussing, perfectly legitimately, is how the court came to their conclusion.

But unless we are all pricy to the full information and were witness to the cross examinations we are at a huge disadvantage to understand how or why they came to those conclusions.

I guess reading the courts transcript is an option anyone fancy some heavy reading?

[iphonedyou]

Crazy. How similar are these two links? In name, style, and yet the content...

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Bathmat_...

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/the-bathmat-foo...

[fttm]

TopOnePercent said:

All I know for sure is that yes, given opportunity, I'd hit foxy knoxy like a baby seal.

Nail on the head ^^^^^^

[iphonedyou]

fttm said:

Nail on the head ^^^^^^

Traditionally a club, I believe.

[Gecko1978]

iphonedyou said:

Crazy. How similar are these two links? In name, style, and yet the content...

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Bathmat_...

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/the-bathmat-foo...

Second link uses phrases like "Believeable Evidence" "We Believe" "you can infer" etc does not make it untrue but does come across more as an agenda.

Said it in my last post would I go back if I were Knox no not in a million years. Should she have to go back of course she should.

Did she kill Meradith....who knows Rudy seems to say she did but we will likley never know.

[anonymous-user]

I am not sure that Guede is the most credible of witnesses.

If the conviction is upheld on appeal, I would be surprised if the US extradites Knox. There are enough concerns about the fairness of the judicial process that led to the conviction for Knox's Constitutional rights to override any extradition request. If that means she will no longer be able to travel to anywhere in the EU, she will have to live with that, which may or may not be unfair.

[Gecko1978]

Breadvan72 said:

I am not sure that Guede is the most credible of witnesses.

If the conviction is upheld on appeal, I would be surprised if the US extradites Knox. There are enough concerns about the fairness of the judicial process that led to the conviction for Knox's Constitutional rights to override any extradition request. If that means she will no longer be able to travel to anywhere in the EU, she will have to live with that, which may or may not be unfair.

Oh to be clear I was not saying Rudy is the best witness far from it more I read both web sites and the first comes across as more open an honest and presents more facts and less conjecture,

None of this makes Amanda guilty but currently the courts say she is so we have to start there. I would love Rudy to cdonfess say he made it all up he did it alone etc and Amanda was not involved but looks like thats not going to happen.

Why did AK and Scelato lie / change story / get confused under pressuer / fall victimn to coercion by the police lots of questions and well like most people I want to skipo the detial and just read the conculsion but in this case there is not one as yet.

[youngsyr]

Nikolai Petroff said:

youngsyr said:

So explain the bloody bare foot print on the bath mat - Guede wore his shoes throughout, he left bloody shoe prints from Meredith's body, down the corridor to the front door.

As I keep on writing, you can make a plausible case either way.

Just about anything that is physically possible is plausible. The kicker is the absence of motive.

Again, about that footprint. I've read very convincing explanations that it was not actually a bloody one. Very convincing. Why have you not considered them.

You take the side of the incompetent Italian forensic team without considering the other side arguments.

You say Knox had no motive, but neither did Guede.

You can attribute a motive to Guede, but then you can attribute a motive to Knox too.

[Gecko1978]

youngsyr said:

You say Knox had no motive, but neither did Guede.

You can attribute a motive to Guede, but then you can attribute a motive to Knox too.

yeah like Guede had no history of violence etc but then raped MK and AK had no history of violence but was smacked out of her tiny mind and high on lust so stabbed poor MK.

Basically I can make up anything I want but end of does not make it true

[Nikolai Petroff]

youngsyr said:

You say Knox had no motive, but neither did Guede.

You can attribute a motive to Guede, but then you can attribute a motive to Knox too.

As I said, you don't need a motive when you have strong evidence. Also, Guede had no reason to be in the house, the other two did.

[Nikolai Petroff]

Gecko1978 said:

Second link uses phrases like "Believeable Evidence" "We Believe" "you can infer" etc does not make it untrue but does come across more as an agenda.

Said it in my last post would I go back if I were Knox no not in a million years. Should she have to go back of course she should.

Did she kill Meradith....who knows Rudy seems to say she did but we will likley never know.

He changed his story many times. He has an interest in bringing as many people into this as possible. It opens up options.

[Nikolai Petroff]

Gecko1978 said:

yeah like Guede had no history of violence etc but then raped MK and AK had no history of violence but was smacked out of her tiny mind and high on lust so stabbed poor MK.

Basically I can make up anything I want but end of does not make it true

Which is why there is evidence. It's strong for Guede and weak for the other two (at least not beyond reasonable doubt).

[Gecko1978]

Nikolai Petroff said:

Gecko1978 said:

yeah like Guede had no history of violence etc but then raped MK and AK had no history of violence but was smacked out of her tiny mind and high on lust so stabbed poor MK.

Basically I can make up anything I want but end of does not make it true

Which is why there is evidence. It's strong for Guede and weak for the other two (at least not beyond reasonable doubt).

To be Clear we know Guede did it he admited it end of, now does he benefit not so sure he is doing 16 years and got same discount for age as Sceleto (although not at first) his early admission gave him a further discount.

now does he benefit not so sure I do not think he can get a further reduction etc so lying to blame knox etc would be more for personel afront rather than to get more time off

but to be honest fk him he is a killer and i hope he dies in jail

[Betty Cumberdale]

Nikolai Petroff said:

youngsyr said:

You say Knox had no motive, but neither did Guede.

You can attribute a motive to Guede, but then you can attribute a motive to Knox too.

As I said, you don't need a motive when you have strong evidence. Also, Guede had no reason to be in the house, the other two did.

You do realize that Guede and Meridith were prior acquaintances? They had met a number of times before and shared a few nights out, he also was a prior acquaintance of Knox. They often spent time together hanging out with the other students in the flat below.

It was not like he was unknown to them and just broke in.

[5CylTurbo]

TopOnePercent said:

All I know for sure is that yes, given opportunity, I'd hit foxy knoxy like a baby seal.

But probably best not to hang around much afterwards.

[anonymous-user]

I am not defending anyone. I don't work for you either, so you can't give me orders. I don't know if the defendants are guilty or not. I merely observe that any US lawyer with half a brain ought to be able to make a Federal Judge agree that the Italian process had not been or would not be compliant with the US standards of due process.

[Turbodiesel1690]

I bet since getting back to Seattle she's been cocked more times than Dick Turpin's pistols

[anonymous-user]

Doing someone else's Googling for them is a Mitzvah, so here we are. Filter out the rhetoric and partisan stuff in this piece, and it gives you a clue as to the sort of arguments that any half awake US counsel could latch on to in order to oppose extradition, if the conviction stands after the next round of Italian process. I would expect Ms Knox to avail herself of high class legal representation in the US, should she need to.

I say that regardless of whether Ms Knox is guilty or innocent. I have no firm view on which of those she is. I am inclined to doubt guilt, but I do not know enough about the case to take a firm line, and I am reluctant to judge Italy's courts as defective just because they look so different from our own. I am merely speculating on the basis of my knowledge of US law (which is greater than my almost zero knowledge of Italian law) what might happen should there ever be an attempt to extradite Ms Knox from the US to Italy.


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2...

[limpsfield]

Turbodiesel1690 said:

I bet since getting back to Seattle she's been cocked more times than Dick Turpin's pistols

What a weird thing to post.