Televised Leaders Debates..
Discussion
XCP said:
How about a public vote? Top 4 get to debate on TV.
No no. This is all wrong.We need a televised debate by all 7 arguing their individual cases & followed by a national referendum to decide the final 4. Of course Alan Sugar should get the final say who goes through, but only after all 7 have lived in a house with multiple cameras in for at least a month. Then they should all do a series of tests in a jungle. I'll call them "Jungle Tests". Eating grubs & whatnot. Natalie Bennett will provide the sweaty white T-shirt totty factor.
This is the kind of politics we want. Sky News told me so.
BlackLabel said:
You just need to watch some of the American Democrat or Republican party presidential candidate debates to see how pointless holding a debate with so many people is. But of course Cameron knows that. With so many candidates there will be very little debate and simply lots of soundbites, a bit like party political broadcasts.
The Cameron vs Miliband one-on-one debate is a must considering only one of these can be PM. Cameron should wipe the floor with Miliband which makes this decision, made primarily by Lynton Crosby and Gideon it appears, completely bizarre and counterproductive.
I agree, I really cannot see what D.C would stand to lose on a one on one debate, he's a far better speaker than Ed is, and I think it will damage his cause if he refuses.The Cameron vs Miliband one-on-one debate is a must considering only one of these can be PM. Cameron should wipe the floor with Miliband which makes this decision, made primarily by Lynton Crosby and Gideon it appears, completely bizarre and counterproductive.
BBC now reporting that because it has said the DUP can't join in the 7-way debate, it may apply to Court to judicially review the BBC.
Lots of predictable quotes: Sturgeon in particular goes straight for "arrogant" and "Tory". Miliband has foolishly, IMO, offered himself up for a one on one grilling by Paxman. That is something I would very much like to see.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole debate idea implode, which is one assumes what the Cons are angling for. I can't really see the broadcasters being interested in Miliband v Clegg, because it is not good entertainment, and I seriously doubt they will "empty chair" a sitting PM, because it will look (and be) massively partisan.
Lots of predictable quotes: Sturgeon in particular goes straight for "arrogant" and "Tory". Miliband has foolishly, IMO, offered himself up for a one on one grilling by Paxman. That is something I would very much like to see.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole debate idea implode, which is one assumes what the Cons are angling for. I can't really see the broadcasters being interested in Miliband v Clegg, because it is not good entertainment, and I seriously doubt they will "empty chair" a sitting PM, because it will look (and be) massively partisan.
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I can see why DC doesn't want a debate when he is seen as the best of a shabby bunch of potential PM by some margin.
C4 News have run in as many labour persons to say "Running Scared" as many times as possible guess that was the text received from labour HQ to all MPs today.
Ecosseven said:
Does seem a strange decision by CMD. Why doesn't he want to debate Ed M. one to one?
In case the lemmings think EM looks remotely electable simply by being on a platform with him.I can see why DC doesn't want a debate when he is seen as the best of a shabby bunch of potential PM by some margin.
C4 News have run in as many labour persons to say "Running Scared" as many times as possible guess that was the text received from labour HQ to all MPs today.
0a said:
I don't really understand why Cameron is choosing to make himself look scared.
It's a political calculation. They assume that Miliband is already established in the public mind as a weak leader- he consistently has lower personal ratings than the party he represents. As such he has more upside than Cameron from the exposure and thus the Conservatives calculate that the negative to them effect of (effectively) blocking the debates is lesser than the potential upside to Miliband from them occurring. They don't want to a repeat of the last debates which arguably provided Clegg, widely assumed to be weak, a surprise boost.basherX said:
0a said:
I don't really understand why Cameron is choosing to make himself look scared.
It's a political calculation. They assume that Miliband is already established in the public mind as a weak leader- he consistently has lower personal ratings than the party he represents. As such he has more upside than Cameron from the exposure and thus the Conservatives calculate that the negative to them effect of (effectively) blocking the debates is lesser than the potential upside to Miliband from them occurring. They don't want to a repeat of the last debates which arguably provided Clegg, widely assumed to be weak, a surprise boost.
t vs. EM looking a little less like a work experience boy. Given that everyone thinks CMD is a bit of a pompous tt anyway the answer seems clear.davepoth said:
basherX said:
0a said:
I don't really understand why Cameron is choosing to make himself look scared.
It's a political calculation. They assume that Miliband is already established in the public mind as a weak leader- he consistently has lower personal ratings than the party he represents. As such he has more upside than Cameron from the exposure and thus the Conservatives calculate that the negative to them effect of (effectively) blocking the debates is lesser than the potential upside to Miliband from them occurring. They don't want to a repeat of the last debates which arguably provided Clegg, widely assumed to be weak, a surprise boost.t vs. EM looking a little less like a work experience boy. Given that everyone thinks CMD is a bit of a pompous tt anyway the answer seems clear.t scared of a debate with Miliband to think this is their best option.MarshPhantom said:
Walford said:
classic DC he knows he will make mince meat of EM, but he will make labour force the debate on him 10 out of 10
I'm not sure many agree with your assessment of the situation.basherX said:
0a said:
I don't really understand why Cameron is choosing to make himself look scared.
It's a political calculation. They assume that Miliband is already established in the public mind as a weak leader- he consistently has lower personal ratings than the party he represents. As such he has more upside than Cameron from the exposure and thus the Conservatives calculate that the negative to them effect of (effectively) blocking the debates is lesser than the potential upside to Miliband from them occurring. They don't want to a repeat of the last debates which arguably provided Clegg, widely assumed to be weak, a surprise boost.The people demand courage in their leaders- can't take on Miliband on TV so how will he take back the Falklands and all that.
Essentially they are banking on the fact that they will be vastly outspending Labour in this campaign, and that money will talk.
basherX said:
0a said:
I don't really understand why Cameron is choosing to make himself look scared.
It's a political calculation. They assume that Miliband is already established in the public mind as a weak leader- he consistently has lower personal ratings than the party he represents. As such he has more upside than Cameron from the exposure and thus the Conservatives calculate that the negative to them effect of (effectively) blocking the debates is lesser than the potential upside to Miliband from them occurring. They don't want to a repeat of the last debates which arguably provided Clegg, widely assumed to be weak, a surprise boost.The elephant in the room for labour is also the SNP so bring them into the debate and added pressure is heaped upon Miliband.
So tonight we have the the ITV Leaders’ Debate.
itv.com said:
ITV has today confirmed further format details for The ITV Leaders’ Debate, which will be shown live on ITV from 8pm to 10pm on Thursday 2nd April, and will be moderated by ITV News anchor Julie Etchingham.
Lots have been drawn to determine the podium order, and the leaders will appear on screen, left to right as follows - Natalie Bennett, Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage, Ed Miliband, Leanne Wood, Nicola Sturgeon and David Cameron.
The drawing of lots for the podium positions also decided the order in which each leader speaks on the opening and closing statements and on the initial answers to the audience questions. The speaking order follows a pre-determined grid (PDF below). The way the lots were drawn means that Natalie Bennett will be the first speaker in the debate and David Cameron the last.
The leaders will make short opening statements at the beginning of the programme and closing statements at the conclusion of the debate.
During the two-hour live debate, leaders will address questions posed by the studio audience.
The format will allow each leader to give an uninterrupted one-minute answer to each question, before the debate is opened to moderated discussion between the leaders, for up to 18 minutes on each question.
Lots have been drawn to determine the podium order, and the leaders will appear on screen, left to right as follows - Natalie Bennett, Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage, Ed Miliband, Leanne Wood, Nicola Sturgeon and David Cameron.
The drawing of lots for the podium positions also decided the order in which each leader speaks on the opening and closing statements and on the initial answers to the audience questions. The speaking order follows a pre-determined grid (PDF below). The way the lots were drawn means that Natalie Bennett will be the first speaker in the debate and David Cameron the last.
The leaders will make short opening statements at the beginning of the programme and closing statements at the conclusion of the debate.
During the two-hour live debate, leaders will address questions posed by the studio audience.
The format will allow each leader to give an uninterrupted one-minute answer to each question, before the debate is opened to moderated discussion between the leaders, for up to 18 minutes on each question.
itv.com said:
The audience of around 200 people has been selected by polling company ICM. It is broadly demographically representative of the UK. It is also politically balanced.
Around 80% of the audience will be made up of voters who express a voting intention at the time of recruitment. Around 20% of the audience will be “undecided”, defined as being interested in politics and intending to vote, but not having decided which party to vote for at the time of recruitment.
http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press-packs/itv-leaders-debate-format-detailsAround 80% of the audience will be made up of voters who express a voting intention at the time of recruitment. Around 20% of the audience will be “undecided”, defined as being interested in politics and intending to vote, but not having decided which party to vote for at the time of recruitment.
Soov535 said:
Farage is going to wipe the floor with this bunch of chinless tosspots.
With reference to a comment above about how they will all gang up on Cameron, I think there's a significant risk that all will attack Farage. The main three and the SNP are vulnerable over the EU; Labour, SNP and the Greens are weak on the economy, and no-one else has anything that looks like an immigration policy.It's possible that they will seek to distract from these by attacking UKIP. Of course, such a course may not do them any good, for various reasons...
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