David Cameron/African Gays/Asylum Seekers

[5unny]

It appears Dave is out courting the gay vote.

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/equality/cameron-re...

Nothing wrong with that if it is genuinely what you believe in but this is the same man who previously backed section 28 and was against gay marriage. Now that he wants to be PM, he is of course against s28 and pro gay marriage

As for the asylum issue - well you either believe we should accept those who are persecuted elsewhere into our country or you don't.

We are signatories to the UN convention relating to the status of refugees so Dave isn't really stating anything new here.

Our hands are tied on this issue.

Edited by 5unny on Saturday 6th February 11:28

[jshell]

Pesty said:

Symbolica said:

What's wrong with that? Reasonable enough stance to take, surely.

Because every single African who turns up here will just say I'm gay and we will have to give them asylum.


You still think its a good idea? We are full

Eg-fecking-xactly!

Homosexuality is utterly illegal here in Nigeria, but that doesn't stop certain pubs and bars being full of outwardly gay people. Now Cameron is opening the flood-gates to them...

!

[AndrewW-G]

Every time Dave comes out with things like this, I cant help think that he's going to do the impossible and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at the general election, unless this is his strategy?

Does he not realise that as a whole, the people of the UK are sick of this st and really would like a government who's primary concern is the people who they are elected to represent.

[rypt]

5unny said:

We are signatories to the UN convention relating to the status of refugees so Dave isn't really stating anything new here.

Our hands are not tied, afaik the agreement is that asylum must be claimed at the first country you get to - which is NEVER the UK as we are an island no-where near any trouble zone.
From here the country governments can decide between themselves to re-distribute the people to other countries with their agreement.

[5unny]

rypt said:

5unny said:

We are signatories to the UN convention relating to the status of refugees so Dave isn't really stating anything new here.

Our hands are not tied, afaik the agreement is that asylum must be claimed at the first country you get to - which is NEVER the UK as we are an island no-where near any trouble zone.
From here the country governments can decide between themselves to re-distribute the people to other countries with their agreement.

Okay, I stand correced then.

One hopes a future Tory government would enforce this then and deport those who come here seeking asylum back to a 'safe' country which they passed through to get here.

Anyone know anything about the Common European Asylum System that we are part of? I bet this says something 'sharing our' asylum seekers. No doubt the UK got a great deal out of this

[jshell]

But, if they get to the UK and destroy their 'papers', it's "game over" unless something else confirms their identity or nationality. They're here to stay!

[speedyman]

read all about it...... Millions of ginger people claim asylum

[Pesty]

speedyman said:

read all about it...... Millions of ginger people claim asylum

Thats fine. The women (aged 18-40)can stay round my house

[CrashTD]

odyssey2200 said:

fk OFF WE ARE FULL!!

Unemployment near 2.5 million
NHS under pressure.
Housing shortage
Benefits bill out of control and CMD want to invite African Gays to live in the UK.



What are the highest risk areas for Aids?
Who much would the treatments cost the NHS?

anybody would think they are coming over here just to ars rape you.



ETA - look at these illegal immigrants. even cleaning hospitals - http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/science_tech...

Edited by CrashTD on Saturday 6th February 12:26

[KANEIT]

I agree with Skywalker, spend our tax money on dealing with internal problems first. If Cameron wants my vote he needs to sort out things that directly affect me, and unfortunately dealing with the persecution of homosexuals in Africa is not a priority and will not make my life better.

Even if we want to sort out the wrongs of the world surely he needs to be helping children first? Gay men have the choice to hide their sexuality or abstain from homosexual acts, it's not right that they should have to but they can make that choice. Children on the other hand have no choice when they are forced into slave labour and prostitution, to use examples.

I would argue that an impoverished child has more potential to contribute to our society (or say Indian society), when given help, than a persecuted or poor adult, because the negatives that adults bring with them are not yet ingrained and the child can be conditioned to value modern customs instead of tribal/medieval traditions that are at odds with the world today.

[Mr_B]

Nice one , Dave. Just tell them to pitch up in the UK, claim they are gay and give them everything on a plate.
Why do I get the feeling that Dave Cameron is about to take a penalty kick with no keeper, only to sky rocket the ball and let Labour off the hook.

[odyssey2200]

CrashTD said:

odyssey2200 said:

fk OFF WE ARE FULL!!

Unemployment near 2.5 million
NHS under pressure.
Housing shortage
Benefits bill out of control and CMD want to invite African Gays to live in the UK.



What are the highest risk areas for Aids?
Who much would the treatments cost the NHS?

anybody would think they are coming over here just to ars rape you.



ETA - look at these illegal immigrants. even cleaning hospitals - http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/science_tech...

Edited by CrashTD on Saturday 6th February 12:26

My point was that the last thing the NHS needs is thousands of HIV+ immigrants queueing for expensive and ongoing treatment.

Thank you for your concerns about my arse.
It remains vergo intacta

[rypt]

jshell said:

But, if they get to the UK and destroy their 'papers', it's "game over" unless something else confirms their identity or nationality. They're here to stay!

Not really, to get to the UK they must first get onto some form of transport in some other EU country.
This means we can send them back to that EU country as we already know that they must have passed though that country.

[jshell]

rypt said:

jshell said:

But, if they get to the UK and destroy their 'papers', it's "game over" unless something else confirms their identity or nationality. They're here to stay!

Not really, to get to the UK they must first get onto some form of transport in some other EU country.
This means we can send them back to that EU country as we already know that they must have passed though that country.

Once they are in and 'settled', we have no way of knowing how they got in, so they're here to stay!

[odyssey2200]

Actually, they are not that bad.
Perhaps we should have some over here!

[Blue Meanie]

glazbagun said:

Seems legitimate enough in principle. If you can claim asylum for religious or political persecution, then being gay in a country that would rather like to stone you seems equally as valid a reason for getting out of dodge.

Exactly... You can hardly say it isn't a valid reason for asylum... Of course how many gay africans will now suddenly come out of the closet is anyones guess.

[Poledriver]

odyssey2200 said:

Actually, they are not that bad.
Perhaps we should have some over here!

That's 'ghey'

The conservatives had the election win handed to them on a plate, now they're handing it back!

[anonymous-user]

EDLT said:

Presumably they would have to prove they were gay, otherwise anyone would be allowed in so long as the mince around a bit.

Could you imagine the gay test they would have to go through....

[AndrewW-G]

rypt said:

jshell said:

But, if they get to the UK and destroy their 'papers', it's "game over" unless something else confirms their identity or nationality. They're here to stay!

Not really, to get to the UK they must first get onto some form of transport in some other EU country.
This means we can send them back to that EU country as we already know that they must have passed though that country.

Unless they simply get on a plane........................

[odyssey2200]

Poledriver said:

The conservatives had the election win handed to them on a plate, now they're handing it back!

I think he has assessed the size of the poisoned chalice that he will inherit and has decided that he doesn't want it after all