UFOs Linked to Cattle and Sheep Mutilation

[Eric Mc]

jmorgan said:

RegMolehusband said:

jmorgan said:

There is actually a very good piece on how nature can do this. Written by qualified people. But cannot be @rsed to dig it out.

I can't image how nature could drop some of them from a considerable height unless a tornado passed by unnoticed by the farmer

Out of curiosity and unrelated, do you know how many tornadoes are in the UK each year?

Unfortunately, none of these -



And one of these -



And a reasonable number of these -

[jmorgan]

What are those lines for on the tanks?


Just wondering.


Edit. Mounting point locations?

Edited by jmorgan on Tuesday 6th April 17:12

[croyde]

cazzer said:

RegMolehusband said:

He added: “For a short while it looked more like a Star Wars battle.”

Why? Were the sheep fighting back?
Now that I would pay to see...armed sheep fighting off the might of the imperial clone army.

I have just spat all over my computer. Very good

[RegMolehusband]

jmorgan said:

RegMolehusband said:

jmorgan said:

RegMolehusband said:

jmorgan said:

There is actually a very good piece on how nature can do this. Written by qualified people. But cannot be @rsed to dig it out.

I can't image how nature could drop some of them from a considerable height unless a tornado passed by unnoticed by the farmer

Out of curiosity and unrelated, do you know how many tornadoes are in the UK each year?

If it's unrelated then what's the point in me researching it - you can try here if you're interested http://www.torro.org.uk/site/index.php

I don't suppose any of the sceptics have bothered to listen to the Gordon Creighton clip linked to above.

Edited by RegMolehusband on Tuesday 6th April 16:27

You mention it in a comical way so I assume you have ruled it out. But probably I should not have used the word unrelated.

So, squashed sheep is it? Dropped from a great height? How has this been determined and verified?

How has this been determined? It's a bit obvious really, because they are often lying in a small depression their monentum has created in the ground and they have several broken bones, as you will find for yourself with a little bit of resarch if you were actually really interested in researching or debunking this stuff for yourself.

As regards the blowflies theory that is of course complete nonsense because these animals are found and reported by farmers and ranchers with years of experience of seeing what maggots and blowflies do to carcasses. What they find here is outside of their extensive experience - like this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtPhZVCKEhA

[Eric Mc]

I actually think our Reg is, in fact, an alien sent here to send us "alien doubters" on wild goose chases (or should that be wild sheep chases?).

Have you learned to parallel park that Austin 1100 yet?

[RegMolehusband]

My cover is blown - take me to your leader.

[Eric Mc]

Rumbled - at last.

Even though you could park a flying saucer with more aplomb than Russ Swift in a Mini, you were defeated by the humblest of earth based technology, a 1960s Leyland car.

We now have a foolproof way of telling an imposter alien from a native human - make him take the Austin 1100 parallel parking test.

[jmorgan]

RegMolehusband said:

jmorgan said:

RegMolehusband said:

jmorgan said:

RegMolehusband said:

jmorgan said:

There is actually a very good piece on how nature can do this. Written by qualified people. But cannot be @rsed to dig it out.

I can't image how nature could drop some of them from a considerable height unless a tornado passed by unnoticed by the farmer

Out of curiosity and unrelated, do you know how many tornadoes are in the UK each year?

If it's unrelated then what's the point in me researching it - you can try here if you're interested http://www.torro.org.uk/site/index.php

I don't suppose any of the sceptics have bothered to listen to the Gordon Creighton clip linked to above.

Edited by RegMolehusband on Tuesday 6th April 16:27

You mention it in a comical way so I assume you have ruled it out. But probably I should not have used the word unrelated.

So, squashed sheep is it? Dropped from a great height? How has this been determined and verified?

How has this been determined? It's a bit obvious really, because they are often lying in a small depression their monentum has created in the ground and they have several broken bones, as you will find for yourself with a little bit of resarch if you were actually really interested in researching or debunking this stuff for yourself.

As regards the blowflies theory that is of course complete nonsense because these animals are found and reported by farmers and ranchers with years of experience of seeing what maggots and blowflies do to carcasses. What they find here is outside of their extensive experience - like this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtPhZVCKEhA

Might I suggest that on the other page (3) is someone that does think different? Maybe farmers and ranchers are not a reliable source for the cause unless they agree with you? Claims of not being very good at animal husbandry for example might not go down too well so blame it on the UFO? Not having a go at you Gaspode, an observation on the situation across the pond and that insects are a bit of a mare in real life and maybe they do like the soft tissue first. Easier to eat, if you were an insect happening on a dead cow would you waste the energy on the tough bits or go for the easy juicy bits? Nature, I have noticed, tend to conserve energy where it can. Of course you get specialists in the tough bits but the soft squishy bits must get first dibs.

Explains why certain cheap sausage and burger makers stuff them with lips etc.


Not that I have looked into this of course


PS. Where are the bouncy sheep?

[hornet]

RegMolehusband said:

hornet said:

One of the less "out there" theories I've heard, at least in reference to the US cattle mutilations, is covert tissue sample collection by US Government agencies to determine things like radiation levels in the wake of nuclear tests, secret chemical releases and suchlike. All very X-Files, but does make a degree more sense than aliens. I can't recall the exact reasoning off the top of my head, but it's along the lines of if you want to know how long radioactive fallout persists, or how well/far your chemical agents can travel and how long they'll remain active, tissue samples from cattle can be very useful, as they spend their entire life eating the vegetation that's been exposed to whatever it is you've been releasing. Not so good for the cow, obviously, but I can see the logic. If you want to know whether your test release will get into the milk supply, for example, testing the levels in cattle would seem to make sense. The fact that popular culture (undoubtedly with a Government nudge here and there) has decided it's all aliens makes it all the better, as it means less eyes are looking in their direction. Hidden in plain sight and all that. Same logic applies to black projects. The military benefits from the popular culture perception that UFOs equal aliens, so does nothing to dispell the notion and indeed probably encourages it. There ARE people doing genuine investigations into mutilations , but they're all but drowned out by the "it's all aliens" brigade, so less people are likely to consider what they're saying - I'm sure whoever is doing the mutilating is very happy to keep things that way.

Given the choice between aliens navigating the cosmos to molest cattle, or secret Government (or other agency) testing in relation to things like biological / chemical / radiation exposure (be it weapons of otherwise), the latter seems to make much more sense.

I like that alternative theory, though surely there are more effective ways of collecting such tissues rather than leaving the evidence dumped in such a way that it invites investigation. They could openly and easily acquire tissue samples from the abbatoirs for example covered by any number of agricultural and scientific excuses.

Edited by RegMolehusband on Tuesday 6th April 15:52

The ease of sampling would depend entirely on how overt/covert the project was. They could (and probably do) acquire tissue samples in a more regular fashion, but if they're only interested in cattle that have been exposed to certain things in certain areas, deliberately or otherwise, I'm not sure abbatoirs would be as much use, as they'd have no control over where the samples came from. Also depends on who was doing the testing, obviously. I'm sure I read that a significant amount of the reported US mutilation cases have been in and around nuclear testing areas (White Sands, I think), but I'd have to double check. I prefer it to the "it was aliens wot dunnit" idea purely as I think it's far more feasible. We know Governments (including our own) have done all manner of secret testing involving chemical / biological weapons down the years, so it's not unheralded. Plus you have stuff like understanding the impacts of possible terrorist attacks using said weapons as well. If you're worried about someone dropping a canister of nerve agent on you, you'll want to know exactly how far something would spread, how long it would persist, how long before it entered the food chain (eg milk, beef) and so on. You can't exactly run round doing that in public without creating a huge panic, so secret dispersal of tracers followed by covert analysis of the impact seems realistic to me. Well, shall we say less unrealistic, as it's all still rather X-Files.

As much as I'm interested in UFOs, I just can't see what aliens could possible want with cow anus? If they can traverse the galaxy to get here in the first place, I'd have thought they'd have the technology to engineer genetic material without resorting to late night butchery on some hapless cow.

[Pupp]

Admit I've neither the time nor the inclination to read all this but, in case it's not already been mentioned, Timothy Good has published a couple of well researched and referenced books that discus incidents of this nature... think they were called something like Alien Liaison, and Beyond Top Secret (there's probably more as he's pretty prolific). Thought provoking stuff

[cazzer]

croyde said:

cazzer said:

RegMolehusband said:

He added: “For a short while it looked more like a Star Wars battle.”

Why? Were the sheep fighting back?
Now that I would pay to see...armed sheep fighting off the might of the imperial clone army.

I have just spat all over my computer. Very good

The internet just never lets ya down does it?

[cymtriks]

The easiest explanation is a cattle version of Jack the Ripper.

Someone with a weird urge to kill and mutilate cattle.

No aliens. No covert sample taking.

Just nutters. Many of which will have got the idea from the "it must be aliens" stories.

Seriously, why isn't this the obvious theory? Why does it have to be aliens or secret agents?

[isv]

hornet said:

One of the less "out there" theories I've heard, at least in reference to the US cattle mutilations, is covert tissue sample collection by US Government agencies to determine things like radiation levels in the wake of nuclear tests, secret chemical releases and suchlike. All very X-Files, but does make a degree more sense than aliens. I can't recall the exact reasoning off the top of my head, but it's along the lines of if you want to know how long radioactive fallout persists, or how well/far your chemical agents can travel and how long they'll remain active, tissue samples from cattle can be very useful, as they spend their entire life eating the vegetation that's been exposed to whatever it is you've been releasing. Not so good for the cow, obviously, but I can see the logic. If you want to know whether your test release will get into the milk supply, for example, testing the levels in cattle would seem to make sense. The fact that popular culture (undoubtedly with a Government nudge here and there) has decided it's all aliens makes it all the better, as it means less eyes are looking in their direction. Hidden in plain sight and all that. Same logic applies to black projects. The military benefits from the popular culture perception that UFOs equal aliens, so does nothing to dispell the notion and indeed probably encourages it. There ARE people doing genuine investigations into mutilations , but they're all but drowned out by the "it's all aliens" brigade, so less people are likely to consider what they're saying - I'm sure whoever is doing the mutilating is very happy to keep things that way.

Given the choice between aliens navigating the cosmos to molest cattle, or secret Government (or other agency) testing in relation to things like biological / chemical / radiation exposure (be it weapons of otherwise), the latter seems to make much more sense.

But you could easily buy any number of animals straight from the local livestock market. Every beast is fully covered by an audit trail that would show you its movements etc. so why bother doing the business in a field in the middle of the night when you could simply buy whatever you wanted and take it back with you to your own special place?

[Nick_F]

Eric Mc said:

Rumbled - at last.

Even though you could park a flying saucer with more aplomb than Russ Swift in a Mini, you were defeated by the humblest of earth based technology, a 1960s Leyland car.

We now have a foolproof way of telling an imposter alien from a native human - make him take the Austin 1100 parallel parking test.

On that basis we're overrun with the blighters already.

[dudleybloke]

right then......
why dont they do this to pigs?

does this mean the aliens are jewish or muslim?

[Graham E]

I love the internet. No matter how many plausiable rational explinations there are for events in this world, there is always a more sinister, totally unlikely probablility that:

1. It was aliens
2. The CIA did it
3. The leigion of doom, headed by the Magii, allied with Lizards (who are the real royal family in discuise), in order to make sure that we don't discover that the truth is out there
4. MX-5.

I hope this story tarnished MX-5's to a point where I can pick up a track day 5 with a supercharger for 1500 quid, that would be well nice.

[Killer2005]

Graham E said:

I love the internet. No matter how many plausiable rational explinations there are for events in this world, there is always a more sinister, totally unlikely probablility that:

1. It was aliens
2. The CIA did it
3. The leigion of doom, headed by the Magii, allied with Lizards (who are the real royal family in discuise), in order to make sure that we don't discover that the truth is out there
4. MX-5.

I hope this story tarnished MX-5's to a point where I can pick up a track day 5 with a supercharger for 1500 quid, that would be well nice.

Maybe if Alien's were to start visiting and mutilating various MX5's, that could push prices down too

[109 Bob]

There was a UFO spotted about two miles from my house the other Sunday, didn't hear about any animal mutilation though.

http://www.hertsandessexobserver.co.uk/Bishops-Sto...

The second person in the article is the boss of someone I know.

What really gets me about this though is the fact that I didn't see it..

[jmorgan]

I see a street lamp and a source for possible lens flares and a reflection off a van?

[Einion Yrth]

jmorgan said:

I see a street lamp and a source for possible lens flares and a reflection off a van?

Indeed, that is so obviously an artifact of the lens, unless the pilot of the ufo can work out from the angle that the camera is being held exactly where a lens flare should be and is carefully and with extreme precision, placing the craft there.