Guess who is in the Daily Telegraph?

[Oakey]

missdiane said:

Oakey said:

He's 35?!?!! THIRTY FIVE?!?!?! Christ, if I look that bad in seven years time, I think I'll top myself.

I read it as 35 in 2004, he can't be younger than me

No, it says he was expelled from the Lib Dems in 2004

[missdiane]

Oh yeah, I see now

[Pesty]

from one of those links above this shower of st runs our country and they can't even get basics like this correct or notice when they fk up!


"Another Labour incompetence is that since October last year Labour List has misspelled the url to his blog, incorrectly linking to a spoof site called Beware Mad Socialists. The spoof has long been known to bloggers but nobody has been inclined to tell Labour List. Well I suppose I have let that cat out of the bag but since Cowan is now finished no harm done there".

Edited by Pesty on Sunday 25th April 14:18

[tinman0]

Jakg said:

WHAT.

I thought the whole racing dude thing was some sort of massive inside joke... I never realised it was true!

• mind blown*

In an old country cowboy voice:

"kinda new round here, aren't ya son"

Have to admit though, PH has outdone itself on this one!

[109 Bob]

Kermit power said:

109 Bob said:

I can't see what the big problem is, all he's done is speak his mind & I don't see anything offensive in what he's said. The only thing illegal he's done is pay a bit of cash in hand to a cleaner & his comments about that were pretty much correct as well.

I used to pay the next-door neighbours kid cash to cut my grass, it was either that or I'd have to do it & that wasn't going to happen.

There are a couple of differences. Firstly, I assume that the kid next door didn't come even close to tax thresholds or claim benefits, so a few quid for mowing the lawn has no impact at all on anything.

Secondly, I don't assume you're standing for election to parliament, are you?

The next door neighbours kid was 17 so who knows, how do we know his cleaner was close to tax thresholds? But that's not the point, the point is this guy, apart from paying a little cash in hand, has done nothing wrong. All he's done is speak his mind & the tabloid press has decided to engage in a witch hunt & destroy him.

What the press should be doing is reporting the news & if they want to discredit anyone why don't they discredit the people already in parliament that are known to have participated in dishonest or corrupt actions. Why pick on this guy just because he said that he would prefer his children didn't marry a Muslim, I wonder how many people totally agree with him. The press in this country are nothing more than a joke.

Edited by 109 Bob on Sunday 25th April 16:09

[tinman0]

109 Bob said:

What the press should be doing is reporting the news & if they want to discredit anyone why don't they discredit the people already in parliament that are known to have participated in dishonest or corrupt actions. Why pick on this guy just because he said that he would prefer his children didn't marry a Muslim, I wonder how many people totally agree with him. The press in this country are nothing more than a joke.

You can't have this both ways.

The Labour Party have destroyed careers and smear people regularly, and get it published every single time.

So why shouldn't this be handed back to them? Why should everyone be expected to "play by the rules" unless it the Labour Party?

This guy made a rod for his own back. Tough luck.

[Oakey]

109 Bob said:

Kermit power said:

109 Bob said:

I can't see what the big problem is, all he's done is speak his mind & I don't see anything offensive in what he's said. The only thing illegal he's done is pay a bit of cash in hand to a cleaner & his comments about that were pretty much correct as well.

I used to pay the next-door neighbours kid cash to cut my grass, it was either that or I'd have to do it & that wasn't going to happen.

There are a couple of differences. Firstly, I assume that the kid next door didn't come even close to tax thresholds or claim benefits, so a few quid for mowing the lawn has no impact at all on anything.

Secondly, I don't assume you're standing for election to parliament, are you?

The next door neighbours kid was 17 so who knows, how do we know his cleaner was close to tax thresholds? But that's not the point, the point is this guy, apart from paying a little cash in hand, has done nothing wrong. All he's done is speak his mind & the tabloid press has decided to engage in a witch hunt & destroy him.

What the press should be doing is reporting the news & if they want to discredit anyone why don't they discredit the people already in parliament that are known to have participated in dishonest or corrupt actions. Why pick on this guy just because he said that he would prefer his children didn't marry a Muslim, I wonder how many people totally agree with him. The press in this country are nothing more than a joke.

Edited by 109 Bob on Sunday 25th April 16:09

The guy was a Lib Dem, then when they kicked him out he attempted to join the Conservatives, failing that he joined Labour. I don't think this is a man who stands by his convictions.

[Pesty]

Well I am in two minds about this one

Firstly I would rather MPs' spoke thir minds without fear rather than be all on message and harbour these thoughts in private. I am feeling a little sorry for teh guy

On the other hand I cannot remember why now, because I agree with some of the stuff he has writen in the past but for some reason about a year ago he made lots and lots of stupid posts leaving me with the impression he was a tt of the highest order. Side changing and childish behaviour backs this impression up.

So mostly I find this funny

[AndrewW-G]

109 Bob said:

Kermit power said:

109 Bob said:

I can't see what the big problem is, all he's done is speak his mind & I don't see anything offensive in what he's said. The only thing illegal he's done is pay a bit of cash in hand to a cleaner & his comments about that were pretty much correct as well.

I used to pay the next-door neighbours kid cash to cut my grass, it was either that or I'd have to do it & that wasn't going to happen.

There are a couple of differences. Firstly, I assume that the kid next door didn't come even close to tax thresholds or claim benefits, so a few quid for mowing the lawn has no impact at all on anything.

Secondly, I don't assume you're standing for election to parliament, are you?

The next door neighbours kid was 17 so who knows, how do we know his cleaner was close to tax thresholds? But that's not the point, the point is this guy, apart from paying a little cash in hand, has done nothing wrong. All he's done is speak his mind & the tabloid press has decided to engage in a witch hunt & destroy him.

What the press should be doing is reporting the news & if they want to discredit anyone why don't they discredit the people already in parliament that are known to have participated in dishonest or corrupt actions. Why pick on this guy just because he said that he would prefer his children didn't marry a Muslim, I wonder how many people totally agree with him. The press in this country are nothing more than a joke.

Yes he has done something wrong, in his declaration of interests he lists a company that ceased trading 2-3 years ago as his main source of income, so either he was lying on his application, or he isn’t declaring any income \ publishing accounts for his company.

The cleaner was claiming benefits, therefore has to declare income, doesn’t matter if that income means they are still below the tax threshold, it still has to be declared.

His racism (both on here and in the press) is unacceptable from a PPC.

IMHO the press intrusion in this case is warranted, as he is standing for public office and as such should be open to public scrutiny

[dilbert]

Somewhatfoolish said:

elster said:

The sooner those who wish to represent our communities are those who actually care about the society and don't just see it as a job or career, the sooner we will have a better country to live in.

BUT this sort of thing will lead to the opposite. Everyone has embarrassments in their past. Anyone who doesn't is probably going to be precisely the kind of person who we least want as a politician - someone who has plotted out the entire path of their life aged 13 and endeavored to avoid anything that could remotely compromise their political career thirty years down the line.

So not just a sad bd, but a megalomaniac psychopathic sad bd at that.

It isn't just a worry there, either. History shows us that society has been moved on by a tiny, tiny number of great men and women not just in politics but in engineering, philosophy, business, charity, mathematics, science... One characteristic that they almost all share is they are not just outliers in their chosen subject, but almost always deviants from the perspective of the status quo in so many other ways as well.

I'm not suggesting John Cowan is a great man for sticking his cock in a jar of marmalade. But let's be careful where this all ends up.

^ This....

I wonder how exactly all of this came to pass.

I worry often if I am being judged by potential employers for what I say on here. The important thing for me is that I only ever say things I believe. The main point is that I'll probably say things on here that I believe, but wouldn't offer to the man on the street. From time to time, I'll even become heated, or vehement. This is especially true if what I say is distorted into something I didn't mean.

Perhaps employers get the chance to judge exactly what I am?

From that perspective then, there's a good chance that those employers who make such judgement will choose only those people who they don't know what the individual believes.

Is it better to know or not?

Is it more likely that employers would exclude people for their negative traits, or include them for their positive ones?

I use the word employer here, but you could fit any word describing a customer/provider relationship, if you wanted.

It may seem odd, but I'd like to extend the idea to voting.

For example, if you had to declare to an employer, who it is you actually intend to vote for, how would you vote? I accept that you could say one thing to an employer, and do something else in the polling booth, but what if you couldn't?

How many people wouldn't vote at all? Or worse, how many wouldn't vote for what they believe?

I could be wrong, but I feel that this issue comes under the trust aspect of the Conservative manifesto. At the very least I can hope.

Vote for change, vote conservative!

Edited by dilbert on Sunday 25th April 17:02

[109 Bob]

I can't be arsed to reply to every comment, sorry

If this guy has done something wrong then fine, maybe he shouldn't be allowed to stand for parliament but from the linked pages there is nothing convicting enough to describe what has happened here as nothing more than a witch hunt. If there is anything that would even remotely stand up in court as dishonest or fraudulent then yes, hang draw & quarter him for all I care.

But I am only going from the links provided & this is all they have.

* Admitted illegally paying his cleaner cash-in-hand (yes I know this would stand up in court, but he reasonably explains why he did it)

* Speculated on the death of Lady Thatcher

* Boasted of his sexual exploits in graphic detail

* Advertised for people to pose nude for his photographic portfolio

* Said he would not want his children to marry a Muslim

There is nothing above that suggests to me as a voter that this guy is going to be any worse or better than anybody already in parliament. When you think of some of the sexual, fraudulent & downright dishonest things that present & past MPs have got up to then this guy could be a saint.

I am not saying that he hasn't done anything wrong, he may be the devil in carnate for all I know but from the information from the links provided he is "so far" nothing more than the victim of a politically managed witch hunt.

There's no point me going on with this topic as the above is just my personal opinion which I have come to from the provided links. Unless any more evidence against Mr. Cowan comes to light my opinion will not change.

[NoNeed]

He's a member of the Liarbour party that supports Gordo the great and mentalson at the top. Nothing else he does will ever be as wrong as that.

[AB]

I love this place. Like properly love it.

LOVE IT.

[Poledriver]

You heard it first on PH

Pistonheads, Crucifiction matters!

[hairykrishna]

109 Bob said:

I can't be arsed to reply to every comment, sorry

If this guy has done something wrong then fine, maybe he shouldn't be allowed to stand for parliament but from the linked pages there is nothing convicting enough to describe what has happened here as nothing more than a witch hunt. If there is anything that would even remotely stand up in court as dishonest or fraudulent then yes, hang draw & quarter him for all I care.

But I am only going from the links provided & this is all they have.

* Admitted illegally paying his cleaner cash-in-hand (yes I know this would stand up in court, but he reasonably explains why he did it)

* Speculated on the death of Lady Thatcher

* Boasted of his sexual exploits in graphic detail

* Advertised for people to pose nude for his photographic portfolio

* Said he would not want his children to marry a Muslim

There is nothing above that suggests to me as a voter that this guy is going to be any worse or better than anybody already in parliament. When you think of some of the sexual, fraudulent & downright dishonest things that present & past MPs have got up to then this guy could be a saint.

I am not saying that he hasn't done anything wrong, he may be the devil in carnate for all I know but from the information from the links provided he is "so far" nothing more than the victim of a politically managed witch hunt.

There's no point me going on with this topic as the above is just my personal opinion which I have come to from the provided links. Unless any more evidence against Mr. Cowan comes to light my opinion will not change.

From what I understand he was being an arse and, as is traditional, was subject to the Facebook/myspace/photobucket 'outing'. He got shirty and posted up someone else's details and continued being an arse. All very normal for PH but in this case he happened to be a politician and, it would seem, somewhat unwise to kick off the internet pissing contest.

[mybrainhurts]

Parrot of Doom said:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

The voice of experience?

[deevlash]

This explains a lot, I was wondering why all of his pro labour posts had dissappeared from my facebook news feed!

[Pesty]

So where next? UKIP,BNP or Green?

[OnTheOverrun]

109 Bob said:

But that's not the point, the point is this guy, apart from commiting tax fraud and conspiracy to commit benefit fraud, has done nothing wrong.

• EFA

[CommanderJameson]

Subtle as ever, deev. Good work.

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Edited by GlenMH on Monday 26th April 03:07