The Conservatives on Rolling Classic Car Tax
Discussion
rs1952 said:
But now the downside.
People who live in rural areas and/or do a lot of mileage would be stung if VED was abolished and the money collected on a pence-per-litre basis on fuel instead.
There are a lot of conservative MPs sitting for predominantly rural constituencies.
A lot of people who do high mileages who don't live in rural areas either vote conservative or donate large sums of money to the Tories.
Now join the dots ......
I'm not sure that's the correct angle.People who live in rural areas and/or do a lot of mileage would be stung if VED was abolished and the money collected on a pence-per-litre basis on fuel instead.
There are a lot of conservative MPs sitting for predominantly rural constituencies.
A lot of people who do high mileages who don't live in rural areas either vote conservative or donate large sums of money to the Tories.
Now join the dots ......
As I see it, right now they have two taxes they can increase year on year - VED and fuel duties.
If they scrap one, the potential for revenue growth diminishes.
Who knows, people in the countryside currently paying VED could well see a drop in costs if the govt were brave. In capturing all those people who currently dodge VED but would be unable to under an additional tax on fuel they might be able to keep any increase small.
If someone does 30k miles per year in a new, high tax band, car (Range Rover etc) they could put over 1p a litre on fuel for the example case to still be better off. And I would bet capturing those not currently paying VED would reap large increases in overall revenue.
Still, will never happen. It's too sensible.
Bibbs said:
Well it was from 2 years ago (just like the thread).
Even so, they just cant help themselves can they?I bet if I wrote to my MP about something trivial, such as the fact changes to a nearby junction means pedestrians get less time to cross than they used to, the response would just be a letter with 'Labours fault' written in it. My constituency has been Conservative for over 30 years.
Murph7355 said:
VED needs scrapping full stop. Add the revenue gained to the tax on fuel and have done with it.
No more cost of printing discs. No more staff costs to administer it. No more people dodging to pay it. Simplest solution all round.
And of course it means that high mileage vehicles used in a way that consumes excessive fuel are penalised.No more cost of printing discs. No more staff costs to administer it. No more people dodging to pay it. Simplest solution all round.
At a time when the government needs to slim down this is a very good solution to simplifying tax structures and eliminating waste.
Plus foreign vehicles driven in the UK would then pay tax according to usage, increasing revenues further.
GavinPearson said:
And of course it means that high mileage vehicles used in a way that consumes excessive fuel are penalised.
At a time when the government needs to slim down this is a very good solution to simplifying tax structures and eliminating waste.
Plus foreign vehicles driven in the UK would then pay tax according to usage, increasing revenues further.
Simple, effective, efficient and cheap. Which basically guarantees it won't happen. At a time when the government needs to slim down this is a very good solution to simplifying tax structures and eliminating waste.
Plus foreign vehicles driven in the UK would then pay tax according to usage, increasing revenues further.
martin84 said:
Even so, they just cant help themselves can they?
I bet if I wrote to my MP about something trivial, such as the fact changes to a nearby junction means pedestrians get less time to cross than they used to, the response would just be a letter with 'Labours fault' written in it. My constituency has been Conservative for over 30 years.
Judging by Labour's track record they have about 11 more years to milk that angle I bet if I wrote to my MP about something trivial, such as the fact changes to a nearby junction means pedestrians get less time to cross than they used to, the response would just be a letter with 'Labours fault' written in it. My constituency has been Conservative for over 30 years.
I'd much rather a system where I personally purchase a "tax" disc ( or whatever you'd call it) which allows me to use any vehicle registered to me on the road. The disc can then be transferred between cars as and when I use them as I find it incredibly annoying that I need to tax all of my cars when I can only physically drive one at a time.
GavinPearson said:
martin84 said:
My constituency has been Conservative for over 30 years.
Good.They should just ditch VED period, doesn't even need offsetting onto the price of fuel.
The cost of running the department, printing the discs, postal charges, manpower, operating vehicles, buildings costs and overheads and chasing around after non-payers will be outweighing the revenue generated through the discs themselves. The economy would actually be better off without it.
The cost of running the department, printing the discs, postal charges, manpower, operating vehicles, buildings costs and overheads and chasing around after non-payers will be outweighing the revenue generated through the discs themselves. The economy would actually be better off without it.
aka_kerrly said:
I'd much rather a system where I personally purchase a "tax" disc ( or whatever you'd call it) which allows me to use any vehicle registered to me on the road. The disc can then be transferred between cars as and when I use them as I find it incredibly annoying that I need to tax all of my cars when I can only physically drive one at a time.
Replacing one unnecessarily complex system with another equally unnecessarily complex one isn't really progress though shakotan said:
They should just ditch VED period, doesn't even need offsetting onto the price of fuel.
The cost of running the department, printing the discs, postal charges, manpower, operating vehicles, buildings costs and overheads and chasing around after non-payers will be outweighing the revenue generated through the discs themselves. The economy would actually be better off without it.
Not even close, even if you think their own estimates are out by factors of 10!The cost of running the department, printing the discs, postal charges, manpower, operating vehicles, buildings costs and overheads and chasing around after non-payers will be outweighing the revenue generated through the discs themselves. The economy would actually be better off without it.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/ARA/Management/VED%20Co...
It's a cash cow and that is why it will not be removed. They cannot just lose over 5bn of revenue.
martin84 said:
The public would happily take £5billion of its money back though. It is our money after all, not theirs.
The "public" would. Until it realised that this drop in revenue meant cutting Child Benefits, reducing pensions and/or increasing retirement age, making students "pay" for their tuition, keeping children in "poverty", forcing old people to go cold over winter etc etc etc.Then they'd want rich people's "gas guzzlers" to pay the difference.
Personally I'd be overjoyed to receive *all* my tax back. It is, after all, my money and not theirs
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