Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not!
Discussion
Scuffers said:
I assume you have real evidence to back this up with (cuase it sounds like b00l0cks to me)
the reality is that even if you just draw the line at the M25, there are some 12M people living within that line, (and that's based on the ones that actually appear on the census, there are a huge number that don't), in an area that's only some 2,600 square miles (UK is a total of 94,000) so some 2.7% is inside the M25 yet has ~18% of the population.
remind me how that's not over-crowded?
because it's only a comparisonthe reality is that even if you just draw the line at the M25, there are some 12M people living within that line, (and that's based on the ones that actually appear on the census, there are a huge number that don't), in an area that's only some 2,600 square miles (UK is a total of 94,000) so some 2.7% is inside the M25 yet has ~18% of the population.
remind me how that's not over-crowded?
Four Litre said:
pork911 said:
HewManHeMan said:
That Labour lady, however, was superb.
huh?
ks! It was like she had some pre determined answers that didnt fit with the questions asked, however she read them out anyway!Thought Farage came out very well, at least he stuck with the facts and Brand wasnt on his best form, seemed to come unsuck a few times.
Scuffers said:
FredClogs said:
Not really, he's spot on "someone did a fart in the city and Farage is holding his nose and pointing at the immigrants."
OK, let's have it, exactly how?HonestIago said:
Scuffers said:
FredClogs said:
Not really, he's spot on "someone did a fart in the city and Farage is holding his nose and pointing at the immigrants."
OK, let's have it, exactly how?And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
HonestIago said:
Scuffers said:
FredClogs said:
Not really, he's spot on "someone did a fart in the city and Farage is holding his nose and pointing at the immigrants."
OK, let's have it, exactly how?FredClogs said:
I don't think he did, I think he suggested that UKIP and the likes want to remove the social support from the poorest and most vulnerable in society, the disabled being an example there of, he didn't suggest Farage was in support of people going out and rolling over wheel chairs.
And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
I would suggest that the poorest and most vulnerable are already suffering, both under labour and Cameron, due to the Climate Change Act and higher fuel bills for everyone.And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
This is happening right now, negating your 'the poorest in society would suffer most under a government' comment - they are already suffering in the real world!
ETA - AFAIK, Farage's party is the only party who have openly stated they want to scrap this climate change act, which will presumably reduce the heating bills for the poor and the elderly.
That would be a good thing, from a 'left wing' perspective, surely?
Edited by chris watton on Friday 12th December 10:32
FredClogs said:
I don't think he did, I think he suggested that UKIP and the likes want to remove the social support from the poorest and most vulnerable in society, the disabled being an example there of, he didn't suggest Farage was in support of people going out and rolling over wheel chairs.
And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
I'm not aware of any such UKIP policies, please enlighten me.And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
I too watched.
I know there was the "Brand Factor" that perhaps meant that the two main parties didn't field anyone from their first rank, but I was frankly astonished that Labour & Conservative parties would field those two. Utterly, utterly hopeless the pair of them. It's just abandoning ground to UKIP FFS.
Brand - weak and irrelevant.
Farage - Farage.
The whole lot of them shown up by someone who:
a. Knew her subject(s).
b. Could put together a cogent expression of her views - which the audience listened to.
No wonder people are disillusioned and angry.
I know there was the "Brand Factor" that perhaps meant that the two main parties didn't field anyone from their first rank, but I was frankly astonished that Labour & Conservative parties would field those two. Utterly, utterly hopeless the pair of them. It's just abandoning ground to UKIP FFS.
Brand - weak and irrelevant.
Farage - Farage.
The whole lot of them shown up by someone who:
a. Knew her subject(s).
b. Could put together a cogent expression of her views - which the audience listened to.
No wonder people are disillusioned and angry.
chris watton said:
FredClogs said:
I don't think he did, I think he suggested that UKIP and the likes want to remove the social support from the poorest and most vulnerable in society, the disabled being an example there of, he didn't suggest Farage was in support of people going out and rolling over wheel chairs.
And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
I would suggest that the poorest and most vulnerable are already suffering, both under labour and Cameron, due to the Climate Change Act and higher fuel bills for everyone.And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
This is happening right now, negating your 'the poorest in society would suffer most under a government' comment - they are already suffering in the real world!
ETA - AFAIK, Farage's party is the only party who have openly stated they want to scrap this climate change act, which will presumably reduce the heating bills for the poor and the elderly.
That would be a good thing, from a 'left wing' perspective, surly?
Edited by chris watton on Friday 12th December 10:21
). Naturally, the lefty climate change stuff as well as their uncontrolled immigration will hurt the poorest in society. However, with smoke and mirrors, the left can then pretend to be on their side, when the Conservatives try to clear up the mess they left behind.HonestIago said:
FredClogs said:
I don't think he did, I think he suggested that UKIP and the likes want to remove the social support from the poorest and most vulnerable in society, the disabled being an example there of, he didn't suggest Farage was in support of people going out and rolling over wheel chairs.
And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
I'm not aware of any such UKIP policies, please enlighten me.And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
HonestIago said:
FredClogs said:
I don't think he did, I think he suggested that UKIP and the likes want to remove the social support from the poorest and most vulnerable in society, the disabled being an example there of, he didn't suggest Farage was in support of people going out and rolling over wheel chairs.
And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
I'm not aware of any such UKIP policies, please enlighten me.And Brand is right, the poorest in society would suffer most under a government influenced by Farage particular social ideals, his party is one set up with the express purpose of the further concentration of the UKs remaining wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
Brand came out worse off from that by some margin. He said virtually nothing except for a few pre-planned insults he'd probably been working on for weeks while totally avoiding the overcrowding question. The fact he thought all he had to do was chuck a few insults around and that that some how wins the debate says much, plus a style much practiced on here too.
Who really buys he part time revolutionary act ? Surely only the most loony of students who think they are radicals, Fred Clogs and various other loons like that ranty audience member with the mad hair - another model for some PH members it seems with the only ability to shouts 'it's racist' without knowing why they would even think or say that.
He is more dangerous for encouraging young people not to, yet gets applauded by idiots for this by the people who will suffer the most by not voting. There's a reason why pensioners get looked after, they vote. I really can't abide anyone who is so ranty and pretend angry for a few days a year ( usually when he's got a book or something to promote ), calls for revolution and acts like he has some great revealed knowledge, but can't do anything with it because he is afraid of becoming on on them. How pathetic was that lame excuse he trotted out ? Was quite funny though when the audience clearly thought the same.
Who really buys he part time revolutionary act ? Surely only the most loony of students who think they are radicals, Fred Clogs and various other loons like that ranty audience member with the mad hair - another model for some PH members it seems with the only ability to shouts 'it's racist' without knowing why they would even think or say that.
He is more dangerous for encouraging young people not to, yet gets applauded by idiots for this by the people who will suffer the most by not voting. There's a reason why pensioners get looked after, they vote. I really can't abide anyone who is so ranty and pretend angry for a few days a year ( usually when he's got a book or something to promote ), calls for revolution and acts like he has some great revealed knowledge, but can't do anything with it because he is afraid of becoming on on them. How pathetic was that lame excuse he trotted out ? Was quite funny though when the audience clearly thought the same.
First QT I've enjoyed in a long time - I thought the audience was going to kick off towards the end 
Brand really doesn't have a clue does he - came across as an NUS wannabe who is more concerned with being right-on than being right. The "I've seen where all the money is" comment - yes Russell it is in your bank account.
The labour lass didn't seem to answer a single question - accused Farage of being a career politician and yet defended herself by talking about her "Irish" immigrant father (no mention if she ever had a real job)? My mother was Irish as is half my family - but they've never considered themselves "immigrants" in the UK.
The conservative lass could have done so much better if she had supported grammar schools. The other lass was very good though - I didn't expect that from someone in the media.
Brand really doesn't have a clue does he - came across as an NUS wannabe who is more concerned with being right-on than being right. The "I've seen where all the money is" comment - yes Russell it is in your bank account.
The labour lass didn't seem to answer a single question - accused Farage of being a career politician and yet defended herself by talking about her "Irish" immigrant father (no mention if she ever had a real job)? My mother was Irish as is half my family - but they've never considered themselves "immigrants" in the UK.
The conservative lass could have done so much better if she had supported grammar schools. The other lass was very good though - I didn't expect that from someone in the media.
Mr_B said:
Brand came out worse off from that by some margin. He said virtually nothing except for a few pre-planned insults he'd probably been working on for weeks while totally avoiding the overcrowding question. The fact he thought all he had to do was chuck a few insults around and that that some how wins the debate says much, plus a style much practiced on here too.
Who really buys he part time revolutionary act ? Surely only the most loony of students who think they are radicals, Fred Clogs and various other loons like that ranty audience member with the mad hair - another model for some PH members it seems with the only ability to shouts 'it's racist' without knowing why they would even think or say that.
He is more dangerous for encouraging young people not to, yet gets applauded by idiots for this by the people who will suffer the most by not voting. There's a reason why pensioners get looked after, they vote. I really can't abide anyone who is so ranty and pretend angry for a few days a year ( usually when he's got a book or something to promote ), calls for revolution and acts like he has some great revealed knowledge, but can't do anything with it because he is afraid of becoming on on them. How pathetic was that lame excuse he trotted out ? Was quite funny though when the audience clearly thought the same.
& millions follow the tWho really buys he part time revolutionary act ? Surely only the most loony of students who think they are radicals, Fred Clogs and various other loons like that ranty audience member with the mad hair - another model for some PH members it seems with the only ability to shouts 'it's racist' without knowing why they would even think or say that.
He is more dangerous for encouraging young people not to, yet gets applauded by idiots for this by the people who will suffer the most by not voting. There's a reason why pensioners get looked after, they vote. I really can't abide anyone who is so ranty and pretend angry for a few days a year ( usually when he's got a book or something to promote ), calls for revolution and acts like he has some great revealed knowledge, but can't do anything with it because he is afraid of becoming on on them. How pathetic was that lame excuse he trotted out ? Was quite funny though when the audience clearly thought the same.
t. And yet he would probably lose his deposit if he stood for election. Says it all. chris watton said:
I would suggest that the poorest and most vulnerable are already suffering, both under labour and Cameron, due to the Climate Change Act and higher fuel bills for everyone.
This is happening right now, negating your 'the poorest in society would suffer most under a government' comment - they are already suffering in the real world!
ETA - AFAIK, Farage's party is the only party who have openly stated they want to scrap this climate change act, which will presumably reduce the heating bills for the poor and the elderly.
That would be a good thing, from a 'left wing' perspective, surely?
You clearly haven't noticed fuel bills have been coming down the last years or soThis is happening right now, negating your 'the poorest in society would suffer most under a government' comment - they are already suffering in the real world!
ETA - AFAIK, Farage's party is the only party who have openly stated they want to scrap this climate change act, which will presumably reduce the heating bills for the poor and the elderly.
That would be a good thing, from a 'left wing' perspective, surely?
Edited by chris watton on Friday 12th December 10:32
Mr_B said:
Brand came out worse off from that by some margin. He said virtually nothing except for a few pre-planned insults he'd probably been working on for weeks while totally avoiding the overcrowding question. The fact he thought all he had to do was chuck a few insults around and that that some how wins the debate says much, plus a style much practiced on here too.
Who really buys he part time revolutionary act ? Surely only the most loony of students who think they are radicals, Fred Clogs and various other loons like that ranty audience member with the mad hair - another model for some PH members it seems with the only ability to shouts 'it's racist' without knowing why they would even think or say that.
He is more dangerous for encouraging young people not to, yet gets applauded by idiots for this by the people who will suffer the most by not voting. There's a reason why pensioners get looked after, they vote. I really can't abide anyone who is so ranty and pretend angry for a few days a year ( usually when he's got a book or something to promote ), calls for revolution and acts like he has some great revealed knowledge, but can't do anything with it because he is afraid of becoming on on them. How pathetic was that lame excuse he trotted out ? Was quite funny though when the audience clearly thought the same.
He must have been on a different show.Who really buys he part time revolutionary act ? Surely only the most loony of students who think they are radicals, Fred Clogs and various other loons like that ranty audience member with the mad hair - another model for some PH members it seems with the only ability to shouts 'it's racist' without knowing why they would even think or say that.
He is more dangerous for encouraging young people not to, yet gets applauded by idiots for this by the people who will suffer the most by not voting. There's a reason why pensioners get looked after, they vote. I really can't abide anyone who is so ranty and pretend angry for a few days a year ( usually when he's got a book or something to promote ), calls for revolution and acts like he has some great revealed knowledge, but can't do anything with it because he is afraid of becoming on on them. How pathetic was that lame excuse he trotted out ? Was quite funny though when the audience clearly thought the same.
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