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sidicks said:
King 
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said: Those advances actually mean that there are more people with disabilities alive now than ever before. People with chronic conditions, for instance, are living 20-30 years longer than they would have done 20 years ago.
Another thing you might take into consideration is that if you become ill and die tomorrow, it will cost the state far more than it would have cost if you'd got the same illness and died 30 years ago. By living this long you are becoming an increasing drag on the people of this country...
You didn't answer the question. Try again.Another thing you might take into consideration is that if you become ill and die tomorrow, it will cost the state far more than it would have cost if you'd got the same illness and died 30 years ago. By living this long you are becoming an increasing drag on the people of this country...
NicD said:
ah, so 'your contribution' is a feeble attempt at sarcasm.
I DO think that benefit cheats (and there seem quite a few) are the lowest of the low and must be rooted out with vigour. They steal scarce resource from the genuinely disabled and poison the well of human kindness.
I could certainly tell that my beloved elder brother was disabled, since he spent almost half his short life in a wheelchair, so keep your half baked crap to, and about yourself. You will find that the more life experienced posters on here don't need your naive little sermons.
Well, it can't have been that feeble because you spotted it.I DO think that benefit cheats (and there seem quite a few) are the lowest of the low and must be rooted out with vigour. They steal scarce resource from the genuinely disabled and poison the well of human kindness.
I could certainly tell that my beloved elder brother was disabled, since he spent almost half his short life in a wheelchair, so keep your half baked crap to, and about yourself. You will find that the more life experienced posters on here don't need your naive little sermons.
I also believe there are are benefit cheats, but all the research (both independent and government) points to them being a fairly small minority - most people who claim benefits deserve them. And in the case of disability cheats it's a tiny, tiny, minority who cheat - just like your brother.
King said:
said: Q: Can Sidicks tell the difference between a question and an assertion?
A: No.
I certainly can, but your initial 'question' was really nothing of the sort and was clearly just a nasty, thinly-veiled and offensive asssertion, given that no-one (unless completely stupid) could possibly have interpreted previous comments in that way.A: No.
King said:
said: Well, it can't have been that feeble because you spotted it.
I also believe there are are benefit cheats, but all the research (both independent and government) points to them being a fairly small minority - most people who claim benefits deserve them. And in the case of disability cheats it's a tiny, tiny, minority who cheat - just like your brother.
I'm afraid that doesn't necessarily follow.I also believe there are are benefit cheats, but all the research (both independent and government) points to them being a fairly small minority - most people who claim benefits deserve them. And in the case of disability cheats it's a tiny, tiny, minority who cheat - just like your brother.
Yes, the number who cheat the system is low.
No, plenty of people who claim such benefits do not deserve them as the system is fundamentally flawed.
Likwise, there are people who do deserve them but cannot get these benefits.
Edited by sidicks on Saturday 13th December 10:32
sidicks said:
I certainly can, but your initial 'question' was really nothing of the sort and was clearly just a nasty, thinly-veiled and offensive asssertion, given that no-one (unless completely stupid) could possibly have interpreted previous comments in that way.
Seeing as it was posed as a question and that the next line said "I guess not", I'd say you're somewhat off the mark.As for interpreting something 'wrongly', that's probably because it was poorly expressed in the first place (a bit like your response above).
King said:
said: Well, it can't have been that feeble because you spotted it.
I also believe there are are benefit cheats, but all the research (both independent and government) points to them being a fairly small minority - most people who claim benefits deserve them. And in the case of disability cheats it's a tiny, tiny, minority who cheat - just like your brother.
you nasty fI also believe there are are benefit cheats, but all the research (both independent and government) points to them being a fairly small minority - most people who claim benefits deserve them. And in the case of disability cheats it's a tiny, tiny, minority who cheat - just like your brother.
kwit , are you saying my brother cheated?can you not read? My brother was born with muscular dystrophy and died an untimely death at age 27, I was at his bedside.
Crawl back into your hole and leave us alone.
league67 said:
Within the UK we have one of the lowest energy bills in Europe, and people still bh and moan.
I'll leave you with this; UKIP's energy policy was 'devised' by Helmer and a blogger with bad degree from mickey mouse uni. But it's all 'common sense'.
And your multi billion costed climate act/policy was written by a non scientist, non economist green agitator who was then pushed into the Lords in order to be allowed to push her drivel further after the morons in office read her polemic and "were impressed". Check it out...h and moan. I'll leave you with this; UKIP's energy policy was 'devised' by Helmer and a blogger with bad degree from mickey mouse uni. But it's all 'common sense'.
What could go wrong? Unnecessarily high energy bills, economic uncompetitiveness, relocating industries and dead, frozen, pensioners. But at least there might be a teensy bit less of co2 floating around. So, well worth it, naturally.
Now, let's guess where Brand sits on mmgw...
King said:
said: Seeing as it was posed as a question and that the next line said "I guess not", I'd say you're somewhat off the mark.
So you are claiming that this was a genuine question?King said:
said: Do you believe that disabled people are all benefits cheats?
Seriously?? No one with an ounce of common sense could possibly ask that question.Using a similar approach:
Are you a nasty, ignorant, jealous individual who seeks to misrepresent others who don't share the same views as you, and who has a tenuous grasp of economic reality and what it means for managing the country's finances?
Edited by sidicks on Saturday 13th December 10:59
Edited by sidicks on Saturday 13th December 10:59
sidicks said:
I'm afraid that doesn't necessarily follow.
Yes, the number who cheat the system is low.
No, plenty of people who claim such benefits do not deserve them as the system is fundamentally flawed.
Likwise, there are people who do deserve them but cannot get these benefits.
If the system is flawed, it's not the claimants fault. I don't disagree with your last statement.Yes, the number who cheat the system is low.
No, plenty of people who claim such benefits do not deserve them as the system is fundamentally flawed.
Likwise, there are people who do deserve them but cannot get these benefits.
Edited by sidicks on Saturday 13th December 10:32
King said:
said:NicD said:
ah, so 'your contribution' is a feeble attempt at sarcasm.
I DO think that benefit cheats (and there seem quite a few) are the lowest of the low and must be rooted out with vigour. They steal scarce resource from the genuinely disabled and poison the well of human kindness.
I could certainly tell that my beloved elder brother was disabled, since he spent almost half his short life in a wheelchair, so keep your half baked crap to, and about yourself. You will find that the more life experienced posters on here don't need your naive little sermons.
Well, it can't have been that feeble because you spotted it.I DO think that benefit cheats (and there seem quite a few) are the lowest of the low and must be rooted out with vigour. They steal scarce resource from the genuinely disabled and poison the well of human kindness.
I could certainly tell that my beloved elder brother was disabled, since he spent almost half his short life in a wheelchair, so keep your half baked crap to, and about yourself. You will find that the more life experienced posters on here don't need your naive little sermons.
I also believe there are are benefit cheats, but all the research (both independent and government) points to them being a fairly small minority - most people who claim benefits deserve them. And in the case of disability cheats it's a tiny, tiny, minority who cheat - just like your brother.
- you may wish to re-write your last sentence since it does scan that you're accusing NicD's late brother of being a cheat...sidicks said:
Who was saying it IS the claimant's fault?
Paying benefits to people who don't deserve them reduces the funds available for those that do. That's why the system needs changing.
By using the term 'benefit cheat', you are asserting it's the claimant's fault. Paying benefits to people who don't deserve them reduces the funds available for those that do. That's why the system needs changing.
Stop using the term 'benefit cheat' and come up with a policy proposal that solves the problem. IDS has broken himself on that wheel - good luck.
King said:
said: By using the term 'benefit cheat', you are asserting it's the claimant's fault.
I never used the term, you did.King said:
said: Stop using the term 'benefit cheat' and come up with a policy proposal that solves the problem. IDS has broken himself on that wheel - good luck.
See above...sidicks said:
King said:
said: By using the term 'benefit cheat', you are asserting it's the claimant's fault.
I never used the term, you did.King said:
said: Stop using the term 'benefit cheat' and come up with a policy proposal that solves the problem. IDS has broken himself on that wheel - good luck.
See above...sidicks said:
NicD said:
most days you can read of the successful prosecution of such criminals , like this today
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2871902/Be...
so what is your contribution, exactly?
Same as usual, unfortunately.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2871902/Be...
so what is your contribution, exactly?
King said:
said:NicD said:
you nasty fkwit , are you saying my brother cheated?
can you not read? My brother was born with muscular dystrophy and died an untimely death at age 27, I was at his bedside.
Crawl back into your hole and leave us alone.
No, I mean that your brother is a legitimate claimant.kwit , are you saying my brother cheated?can you not read? My brother was born with muscular dystrophy and died an untimely death at age 27, I was at his bedside.
Crawl back into your hole and leave us alone.
King said:
said: You agreed with NicD who quoted the Daily Mail article about "benefit cheats". If you don't accept the terminology, why did you agree with him?
The article IS about someone who tried to cheat the system...
NicD said:
You're making specious arguments, as usual.
I think plenty of others would agree with me.irocfan said:
King said:
said:NicD said:
you nasty fkwit , are you saying my brother cheated?
can you not read? My brother was born with muscular dystrophy and died an untimely death at age 27, I was at his bedside.
Crawl back into your hole and leave us alone.
No, I mean that your brother is a legitimate claimant.kwit , are you saying my brother cheated?can you not read? My brother was born with muscular dystrophy and died an untimely death at age 27, I was at his bedside.
Crawl back into your hole and leave us alone.
You never apologise for the offensive, reactionary, stuff you submit intentionally.
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