Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not!
Discussion
jonby said:
When May starts talking about how Labour should represent 'the working people' in a way which infers he is only talking about people on lower to average incomes, as if those who earn more don't work hard and then he goes on to talk about the conservatives representing 'the undeserving rich' he
a) comes across as a complete knob
b) exemplifies all the reasons that labour lost this election.
Meanwhile Hunt demonstrated labour's problem if they go the other way, as the tory chap highlighted by repeating that nonsense phrase that Hunt had used
Too true, a complete and utter knob.a) comes across as a complete knob
b) exemplifies all the reasons that labour lost this election.
Meanwhile Hunt demonstrated labour's problem if they go the other way, as the tory chap highlighted by repeating that nonsense phrase that Hunt had used
And you've gotta laugh at Labour politicians - the day before the election they were all for attacking the rich and taking revenge on wealth and success.
The day after losing the election it's - 'we didn't appeal to a wide enough section of the electorate' and 'the Labour party stands for aspiration'.
F*CKING HILARIOUS.
Cobnapint said:
Too true, a complete and utter knob.
And you've gotta laugh at Labour politicians - the day before the election they were all for attacking the rich and taking revenge on wealth and success.
The day after losing the election it's - 'we didn't appeal to a wide enough section of the electorate' and 'the Labour party stands for aspiration'.
F*CKING HILARIOUS.
Which nameless nomark is likely to be new leader. They have promoted cardboard cut out MP's none of whom have any true socialist convictions.If the Conservatives manage to change the boundaries then with the rise of the SNP we can look forward to the implosion of what used to be the Labour party.And you've gotta laugh at Labour politicians - the day before the election they were all for attacking the rich and taking revenge on wealth and success.
The day after losing the election it's - 'we didn't appeal to a wide enough section of the electorate' and 'the Labour party stands for aspiration'.
F*CKING HILARIOUS.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Cobnapint said:
Too true, a complete and utter knob.
And you've gotta laugh at Labour politicians - the day before the election they were all for attacking the rich and taking revenge on wealth and success.
The day after losing the election it's - 'we didn't appeal to a wide enough section of the electorate' and 'the Labour party stands for aspiration'.
F*CKING HILARIOUS.
Which nameless nomark is likely to be new leader. They have promoted cardboard cut out MP's none of whom have any true socialist convictions.If the Conservatives manage to change the boundaries then with the rise of the SNP we can look forward to the implosion of what used to be the Labour party.And you've gotta laugh at Labour politicians - the day before the election they were all for attacking the rich and taking revenge on wealth and success.
The day after losing the election it's - 'we didn't appeal to a wide enough section of the electorate' and 'the Labour party stands for aspiration'.
F*CKING HILARIOUS.
jonby said:
Burnham would be a very good choice if they go down the more hardline left route, at capturing voters in the North and possibly even Scotland, but he would lose even more current/ex labour voters in the South. Chuka if he was still standing & Hunt would make good leaders to get back some of their lost votes in the South, but they would win very few votes in the North with someone like that and probably lose some existing votes there too. I almost feel sorry for Labour
It could be quite an amusing few years. They have no way of increasing their London & South East vote share without moving towards the centre ground, no way of increasing their Northern vote share without trying to enter UKIP territory and no way of taking back their Scottish vote share without a f
king miracle.Even if they had a credible candidate generally, they certainly don't have anybody that could appeal to all of the above - and I'm not sure such a person even exists.
When you think back to some of the big beasts of the Labour Party in the past, the current crop of hopefuls fade into insignificance. There's not one that comes close to inspiring people, they are all wind-up toys. Maybe the one-time labour voters have finally seen the light.
Edited by Thorodin on Saturday 16th May 16:28
jonby said:
Burnham would be a very good choice if they go down the more hardline left route, at capturing voters in the North and possibly even Scotland, but he would lose even more current/ex labour voters in the South. Chuka if he was still standing & Hunt would make good leaders to get back some of their lost votes in the South, but they would win very few votes in the North with someone like that and probably lose some existing votes there too. I almost feel sorry for Labour
Andy Burnham always looks like he is about to burst into tearsThorodin said:
When you think back to some of the big beats of the Labour Party in the past, the current crop of hopefuls fade into insignificance. There's not one that comes close to inspiring people, they are all wind-up toys. Maybe the one-time labour voters have finally seen the light.
That's exactly how I see them currently. Even Gordon Brown had some gravitas though my least favourite PM. UKIP's Nigel Farage or Suzanne Evans individually have more gravitas than Labour's current more prominent members combined. If Labour want to have influence sometime in the distant future, they will have to come up with someone really special. Most unlikely. Had they chosen David M instead of Ed., I still think they'd have had a disappointing GE last week.
Their task is a massive one and it will need a lot of time before even a glimmer of success can be seen.
I can't see Burnham as anything other than an electoral liability; he presided over Mid-Staffs hospital killing its customers and presided over the active concealment of that homicide; regardless of whether you think he knew about it or not he was in charge of the NHS when it was happening. He could be the best thing since sliced bread, but the legacy he has as a former Health Secretary is General Election poison; thinking the tories wouldn't exploit it is delusion.
hidetheelephants said:
I can't see Burnham as anything other than an electoral liability; he presided over Mid-Staffs hospital killing its customers and presided over the active concealment of that homicide; regardless of whether you think he knew about it or not he was in charge of the NHS when it was happening. He could be the best thing since sliced bread, but the legacy he has as a former Health Secretary is General Election poison; thinking the tories wouldn't exploit it is delusion.
He's done some good over Hillsborough, though I don't know if his involvement in that was before or after Mid-Staffs.
Halb said:
If the Torys give the SNP full fiscal autonomy, the SNP may screw things up royally and the Scots could well then migrate back to Labour (and the Torys) without a seismic shift in Labour policy.
I would love them to have full fiscal autonomy, I would give it with one caveat, and that is that on the 1st of january each year the SNP leader must publicly on all media outlets ask for what ever they have overspent to be granted from Westminster (read english tory bds) and then ride all the way to the treasury to fetch it in a horse and cart (Amish style) just so all the people of Scotland can see the SNP future.NoNeed said:
I would love them to have full fiscal autonomy, I would give it with one caveat, and that is that on the 1st of january each year the SNP leader must publicly on all media outlets ask for what ever they have overspent to be granted from Westminster (read english tory bds) and then ride all the way to the treasury to fetch it in a horse and cart (Amish style) just so all the people of Scotland can see the SNP future.
...seems very reasonable. ds) and then ride all the way to the treasury to fetch it in a horse and cart (Amish style) just so all the people of Scotland can see the SNP future.
Thorodin said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
ellroy said:
Scouser isn't he?
No he is what is affectionally known as a plastic scouser or woolyback.RichB said:
Thorodin said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
ellroy said:
Scouser isn't he?
No he is what is affectionally known as a plastic scouser or woolyback.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff