Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not!
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
hidetheelephants said:
legzr1 said:
You know, there are some people in power who seem hell bent on a return to a Victorian way of life.
If that meant people and the state living within their means, shiftless doleites being invited to live in the poor house or get a job, large scale public and private works that provide for the next 50 years not just the next 5, and a burgeoning and politically active middle class then I'd say bring it on.Bring it on, I assume for everyone but you and yours?
Derek Smith said:
That's just what we need: rickets, mass unemployment to keep wages down, vermin infested housing, state sponsored child abuse, persecution just because of different ideas, a low life expectancy and high infant mortality, no education for the masses, children being taken to workhouses, not asked. Kids ages six working in laundries, up chimneys, in factories, down mines. No voting rights for the vast majority.
Bring it on, I assume for everyone but you and yours?
The thing we'll never know is whether it was an increase in State expenditure that "cured" all of these things. We'll also never know whether not inventing the Welfare State would have seen those theoretically served by it better off.Bring it on, I assume for everyone but you and yours?
The Victorian (and pre-Welfare State) era saw many medical and scientific advancements, and the wealth and power of the country grow beyond question. Arguably far more so than after the Welfare State came about.
The only thing we do definitively know is that we have been living well beyond our means for decades and have colossal amounts of debt. A situation that needs to be redressed if ever we are to return to a position of true prosperity. If that means some of the unnecessary excesses of the State must be curbed, then so be it.
Murph7355 said:
The only thing we do definitively know is that we have been living well beyond our means for decades and have colossal amounts of debt. A situation that needs to be redressed if ever we are to return to a position of true prosperity. If that means some of the unnecessary excesses of the State must be curbed, then so be it.
Spot the changes - living beyond our means through Labour economic illiteracy with unsustainable public sector jobs aplenty but no money left (so paid for on tick) compared to the current significantly better governance creating growth and private sector jobs while reducing the deficit. May 2015 popped the zit.
andymadmak said:
Really? Name one...
Just one?Ok, why not start at the top...
Cameron.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/feb/...
legzr1 said:
andymadmak said:
Really? Name one...
Just one?Ok, why not start at the top...
Cameron.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/feb/...
CMD's Party and its manifesto got my vote back in May as the best of a bad bunch, they got enough votes from others to form a majority government by promoting the idea that too many MPs and too much bureaucracy costs a lot and delivers less, that the largesse level (not the existence) of welfare was making for less of an incentive to work, to take on overtime, to strive for promotion and a better quality of life in general all at lower cost to overly ripped-off taxpayers.
Here's something snipped from an article by Fraser Nelson, a former Centre for Policy Studies chap, to go alongside the Tim Stanley offering. It examines the successes that followed from voters dumping the economically illiterate and generally inept Labour Party with the Conservatives running the economy albeit hogtied at times by the useless LibDems.
In March of this year Fraser Nelson said:
In five short years, Britain has gone from having mass unemployment to jobs galore. Unemployment is falling at a rate that confounds the economists, and employers are starting to panic.
Just before the Budget was published, the latest figures came out — all of them smashing records. There are 30.9 million of us in work, the most ever. That’s an employment ratio of 73.3 per cent, the highest in history. Employment is up by 1.7 million since Cameron took power and 1.5 million of these jobs are full-time. The number on Jobseekers Allowance fell by 30 per cent last year alone and the youth claimant count stands at its lowest since the 1970s. Birmingham added more jobs to its economy last year than the whole of France; Britain is adding more than the rest of Europe.
Iain Duncan Smith briefed the House of Lords on all the progress and was given a standing ovation.
With Clegg's band of pointless losers dead and buried, the job that should have been well on the way to completion already can get going from the half-start, and not before time.Just before the Budget was published, the latest figures came out — all of them smashing records. There are 30.9 million of us in work, the most ever. That’s an employment ratio of 73.3 per cent, the highest in history. Employment is up by 1.7 million since Cameron took power and 1.5 million of these jobs are full-time. The number on Jobseekers Allowance fell by 30 per cent last year alone and the youth claimant count stands at its lowest since the 1970s. Birmingham added more jobs to its economy last year than the whole of France; Britain is adding more than the rest of Europe.
Iain Duncan Smith briefed the House of Lords on all the progress and was given a standing ovation.
legzr1 said:
andymadmak said:
Really? Name one...
Just one? Ok, why not start at the top...In Tim Stanley's opinion, David Cameron.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/feb/...
legzr1 said:
Only deluded corduroy-wearing Guardian readers could equate the non-working classes of today to the Victorian poor.fido said:
Only deluded corduroy-wearing Guardian readers could equate the non-working classes of today to the Victorian poor.
d'Ancona from the Torygraph wearing suitable leg clothing?:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9015051/A...
legzr1 said:
fido said:
Only deluded corduroy-wearing Guardian readers could equate the non-working classes of today to the Victorian poor.
d'Ancona from the Torygraph wearing suitable leg clothing?:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9015051/A...
"Matthew d'Ancona writes a weekly column for The Guardian."
http://www.theguardian.com/profile/matthew-dancona
In spite of the Greening quote, which is about ambition not regression, it's his view in the title not CMD's view, so this convenient Victorian imagery is still failing to get traction.
More d'Ancona purely out of interest:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/...
Great, the shouty religious looney Mehdi Hasan is back on - a man who thinks non-muslims are immoral 'animals'.
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2012/08/peter-hit...
Expect lots of sound bites from the panel re Paris - "the terrorists are trying to divide us", "the has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with religion", "we will not let ISIS win".......ad nauseam.
BlackLabel said:
Great, the shouty religious looney Mehdi Hasan is back on - a man who thinks non-muslims are immoral 'animals'.
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2012/08/peter-hit...
Expect lots of sound bites from the panel re Paris - "the terrorists are trying to divide us", "the has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with religion", "we will not let ISIS win".......ad nauseam.
Edited by chris watton on Thursday 19th November 19:10
chris watton said:
BlackLabel said:
Great, the shouty religious looney Mehdi Hasan is back on - a man who thinks non-muslims are immoral 'animals'.
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2012/08/peter-hit...
Expect lots of sound bites from the panel re Paris - "the terrorists are trying to divide us", "the has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with religion", "we will not let ISIS win".......ad nauseam.
Edited by chris watton on Thursday 19th November 19:10
...we will hear about the nhs, tax credits and cuts. Its the audience wot set the agenda, you see...
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