No Charges over G20 man's death
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And all this b
kss by mr fishface because i originally said.... [quote] Totally big surprise that the pig got away with it...........not.[end quote] 
And i stand by that, like it or lump it
And i will tell you whats tasteless, some guy walking along a British street and gets violently pushed over and killed by the police )were is your damned reasonable force in that?). Then the copper walks away without charges. Now that's tasteless.....shout about that. Hundreds of thousands of British citizens are, equally hundreds of thousands of people knew the copper would walk away. Not many were surprised by that result.
kss by mr fishface because i originally said.... [quote] Totally big surprise that the pig got away with it...........not.[end quote] And i stand by that, like it or lump it
And i will tell you whats tasteless, some guy walking along a British street and gets violently pushed over and killed by the police )were is your damned reasonable force in that?). Then the copper walks away without charges. Now that's tasteless.....shout about that. Hundreds of thousands of British citizens are, equally hundreds of thousands of people knew the copper would walk away. Not many were surprised by that result.
Edited by ferrari spider on Saturday 24th July 13:42
Hedders said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
SPEEDING IS NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE
You can shout it as much as you like. If you think the average tax payer understands all these classifications of wrong doing, you are dreaming.Do you really think that the average member of public thinks that the police will get the helicopters out to hunt for someone who has not commited a criminal offence?
I am sick of all the word play..
You call it word play I call it accuracy.
You like to try to make out it's a criminal offence as it fits better when making emotive statements and when misrepresenting the level of effort and time going into the detection. It helps people make those stupid comments I referred to in my other poster.
If the public are as thick as you say then that is a shame. Perhaps if the interest groups didn't keep lying about the effort that goes into speed enforcement and making out it's a criminal offence people wouldn't think as you do.
Still. At least you've been informed now and you can pass on the information.
Not a crime
Very little time and money spent on it's enforcement.
ferrari spider]And all this bkss by mr fishface because i originally said.... [quote] Totally big surprise that the pig got away with it...........not.[end quote said:
kss by mr fishface because i originally said.... [quote] Totally big surprise that the pig got away with it...........not.[end quote said:And i stand by that, like it or lump it
And i will tell you whats tasteless, some guy walking along a British street and gets violently pushed over and killed by the police )were is your damned reasonable force in that?). Then the copper walks away without charges. Now that's tasteless.....shout about that. Hundreds of thousands of British citizens are, equally hundreds of thousands of people knew the copper would walk away. Not many were surprised by that result.
Edited by ferrari spider on Saturday 24th July 13:42
None of the post mortems showed any head injuries that i am aware of.
Hence merely being shoved to the ground after being told to move on and not doing so would/could not be the cause of his death.
Pushing an older out of shape man to the ground can cause immediate stress that can induce a hart attack.
If i think that the guy would have died anyway, if he had not been violently pushed to the ground minutes after that particular time frame. No, i think he would have returned home that day.
If i think that the guy would have died anyway, if he had not been violently pushed to the ground minutes after that particular time frame. No, i think he would have returned home that day.
Road Pest said:
At best incompetent, at worst corrupt (but not as corrupt as before? (Edited for Fishface)). Great times.
Love the way Fishface only commented on the corrupt bit Sorry about sounding a bit melodramatic over someone being killed! I'll save the melodrama for more serious issues.
Three post-mortem examinations were conducted on Mr Tomlinson's body leading to different conclusions.
The first found the father of nine died of natural causes, the second of internal bleeding and the results of the third, conducted on behalf of the officer, were not made public.
(Stick put away for a moment) Serious question, why only have the results of two post-mortems made public? I am sure there is a reasonable explanation so just curious.
The first found the father of nine died of natural causes, the second of internal bleeding and the results of the third, conducted on behalf of the officer, were not made public.
(Stick put away for a moment) Serious question, why only have the results of two post-mortems made public? I am sure there is a reasonable explanation so just curious.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
OzzyR1 said:
I see your point that video is only a starting point but I can't get rid of the nagging feeling that if it was me caught on that same piece of film, whacking a copper with a metal stick who subsequently died a few minutes later I'd be facing manslaughter if not murder charges faster than they could fill in the paperwork.
In my suspicious opinion only of course.
They would face the same problems proving the link. In my suspicious opinion only of course.
If they hadn't been worried about trying to get the big charge through for what I suspect are political reasons then they could have looked at the assault charges.
If the poster above had been identified in these circumstances doing this to a copper, the police would have been all over him like a bad rash. He'd have probably got a good 'shoeing' at least and more likely a dam good tasering. His front door would have been smashed in, his family would have been terrorised by the TSG rampaging through his home, he'd have had his face splashed all over the newspapers, he'd have lost his job and his liberty, he'd have been all but hung , drawn and quartered by the Papers, his very life would have been picked apart. Oh and they would probably have somehow found child porn on his hard drive. This is the reality of being on the 'wrong side' of the police.
yet if your a bad copper thats been 'unlucky' enough to been caught on film doing this to someone, despite having your face covered and your identity numbers removed, you dont even get to face charges becuase some spinless s
t in a suit thinks it might not stick.Road Pest said:
Road Pest said:
At best incompetent, at worst corrupt (but not as corrupt as before? (Edited for Fishface)). Great times.
Love the way Fishface only commented on the corrupt bit Sorry about sounding a bit melodramatic over someone being killed! I'll save the melodrama for more serious issues.
Corsair7 said:
If the poster above had been identified in these circumstances doing this to a copper, the police would have been all over him like a bad rash. He'd have probably got a good 'shoeing' at least and more likely a dam good tasering. His front door would have been smashed in, his family would have been terrorised by the TSG rampaging through his home, he'd have had his face splashed all over the newspapers, he'd have lost his job and his liberty, he'd have been all but hung , drawn and quartered by the Papers, his very life would have been picked apart. Oh and they would probably have somehow found child porn on his hard drive. This is the reality of being on the 'wrong side' of the police.
Rubbish. Even the top guns can't manage that http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249382/Al...What are we saying here? The same scenario reversed? When would that ever happen? In which circumstances do you ever envisage hitting a police officer with a stick to be lawful in the first place which wouldn't result in an immediate arrest to the attacker?
Corsair7 said:
yet if your a bad copper thats been 'unlucky' enough to been caught on film doing this to someone, despite having your face covered and your identity numbers removed, you dont even get to face charges becuase some spinless st in a suit thinks it might not stick.
It's now you displaying your naivety. To think the Crown wouldn't try their up most to charge the officer with something when the public interest is so high. t in a suit thinks it might not stick.What if the 'spineless st in a suit' is correct though.
The chances of securing a conviction are poor, shall we say.
Should the officer have been charged anyway? What would be the point?
The only people who would benefit would be a few QCs.
If 3 pathologists cannot agree on a cause of death, I cannot see a jury being able to.
t in a suit' is correct though.The chances of securing a conviction are poor, shall we say.
Should the officer have been charged anyway? What would be the point?
The only people who would benefit would be a few QCs.
If 3 pathologists cannot agree on a cause of death, I cannot see a jury being able to.
ExChrispy Porker said:
If 3 pathologists cannot agree on a cause of death, I cannot see a jury being able to.
Indeed. They should have tried for Assault. It is probably closer to reality, too.Though, as I have said, if you antagonise the CRS you'll probably need surgery to remove the truncheons. This wasn't on the same level, and it is very sad that he died. Some posters need to reign in the hysteria.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
You like to try to make out it's a criminal offence as it fits better when making emotive statements and when misrepresenting the level of effort and time going into the detection.
It is really not that sinister. I just think that a crime is an act that is against the law. I don't see why there has to be so many levels of crime that no one knows what is what, who can be arrested for what, and when and by who.The law should be easily interpreted otherwise it is meaningless to most people it is supposed to be applied too.
ferrari spider said:
Flintstone said:
ferrari spider said:
FishFace said:
1) Your what, you say? A Ferrari? Did you mention you have one of those? Perhaps even make your name your car. Just post "Ferrari, Ferrari,Ferrari, Ferrari" next time.
2) Yes, a small snippet of video is absolutely conclusive. I would hope someone in your occupation would have a greater idea of use of force and the bigger picture. Probably an ambitious expectation.
Is that the best you can come up with?!! LOL! 2) Yes, a small snippet of video is absolutely conclusive. I would hope someone in your occupation would have a greater idea of use of force and the bigger picture. Probably an ambitious expectation.
You fking clown. 
, you will see i also have a point.And i think my user name on the UK biggest car based forum, gives the bloody game away, dont you. "Dont hate the player hate the game", as the saying goes
And they guy knows nothing about whats involved in my occupational field what so ever. So why comment on it? Though to be fair, this is Piston Heads, were the average poster is more expert than the experts themselves
Edited by ferrari spider on Saturday 24th July 12:54
Can't say I've ever heard of the saying you've mentioned either. Why would one hate a game? A player, I could see that. A fan of a team might intensely dislike a player from the opposition but surely if he were such a fan of his own team, to the point where he hated a player from another, he'd be quite fond of them game itself? No, doen't scan. In fact the more I think about it I'm convinced that there can be no such saying, it just doesn't make sense. Downright daft really. Verbiage.
Anyway, back to FishFace's point. He/she had one. It was a valid opinion and opinions, by their very nature, cannot be wrong.
Nice here, innit?
Hedders said:
ExChrispy Porker said:
If 3 pathologists cannot agree on a cause of death, I cannot see a jury being able to.
3 pathologists can not figure out how someone died, even though they have video footage of his death?I assume they can still keep their jobs too.
Freddy Patel was already under investigation over a number of his previous diagnosis being discredited prior to being apointed to this case.
Flintstone said:
Can't say I've ever heard of the saying you've mentioned either. Why would one hate a game? A player, I could see that. A fan of a team might intensely dislike a player from the opposition but surely if he were such a fan of his own team, to the point where he hated a player from another, he'd be quite fond of them game itself? No, doen't scan. In fact the more I think about it I'm convinced that there can be no such saying, it just doesn't make sense. Downright daft really. Verbiage.
Huh! So you never have heard the saying. "Dont hate the player hate the game"??man you need to get out more. Your not an old fart QC or judge by any chance are you
Have you tried researching the saying? But of course you haven't, you dont even read all the comments. Only extracts that fit your agenda
Yea its great here, i agree
Edited by ferrari spider on Saturday 24th July 23:17
grumbledoak said:
Hedders said:
they have video footage of his death?
No. No they don't. At least, not as far as we can tell.grumbledoak said:
Some posters need to reign in the hysteria.
Hedders said:
Sorry, they have footage of him walking unaided one second, being belted over the back of the head and collapsing to the floor. Maybe they could examine that part and see if they could get any clues.
Have you got a link to this? I've not seen anything like it. As far as I can tell he was treated roughly, but nothing you'd expect to cause his death.grumbledoak said:
Hedders said:
Sorry, they have footage of him walking unaided one second, being belted over the back of the head and collapsing to the floor. Maybe they could examine that part and see if they could get any clues.
Have you got a link to this? I've not seen anything like it. As far as I can tell he was treated roughly, but nothing you'd expect to cause his death.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECMVdl-9SQ
Even if you don't expect it to cause his death, seeing as he did die immediately afterwards, it could be a clue!
Edited by Hedders on Saturday 24th July 23:23
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