Turkey must be welcome in EU, insists Cameron
Discussion
So what is Cameron playing at?
1: He's completely lost the plot.
2: It's only sound bites and a bit of flattery goes a long way
with your hosts.
3: Even better, he knows the issue of Turkey joining the EU is
one which member states do not wish to address and thus by
forcing the issue he's hoping to weaken the EU - i.e.
attempt to destroy the EU by adding more and more
increasingly diverse countries.
What do we think?
1: He's completely lost the plot.
2: It's only sound bites and a bit of flattery goes a long way
with your hosts.
3: Even better, he knows the issue of Turkey joining the EU is
one which member states do not wish to address and thus by
forcing the issue he's hoping to weaken the EU - i.e.
attempt to destroy the EU by adding more and more
increasingly diverse countries.
What do we think?
Independent said:
David Cameron will today attack opponents of Turkey joining the European Union as "prejudiced" as he promises to champion the country's membership application.
Speaking in Ankara, the Prime Minister will tackle fears among Eurosceptic Tory MPs that a Muslim nation with a population of 72 million people would swamp the EU and result in a new wave of immigration to Britain under Europe's free movement policy.
Referring to Turkey's membership of Nato and its goal of joining the EU, Mr Cameron will say: "My view is clear. I believe it's just wrong to say Turkey can guard the camp but not be allowed to sit inside the tent."
One group which opposes EU entry are "the prejudiced" who wilfully misunderstand Islam, he will claim. "They see no difference between real Islam and the distorted version of the extremists. They think the problem is Islam itself. And they think the values of Islam can just never be compatible with the values of other religions, societies or cultures."
Dismissing these arguments as "plain wrong," he will place the coalition Government at the forefront of an international effort to defeat them.
"Turkey is a secular and democratic state. This is all the more reason to make Turkey feel welcome in Europe," he will say. "I will always argue that the values of real Islam are not incompatible with the values of Europe. That Europe is defined not by religion, but by values. The EU is a secular organisation. And Europe welcomes people of all faiths, or none."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-must-be-welcome-in-eu-insists-cameron-2036190.htmlSpeaking in Ankara, the Prime Minister will tackle fears among Eurosceptic Tory MPs that a Muslim nation with a population of 72 million people would swamp the EU and result in a new wave of immigration to Britain under Europe's free movement policy.
Referring to Turkey's membership of Nato and its goal of joining the EU, Mr Cameron will say: "My view is clear. I believe it's just wrong to say Turkey can guard the camp but not be allowed to sit inside the tent."
One group which opposes EU entry are "the prejudiced" who wilfully misunderstand Islam, he will claim. "They see no difference between real Islam and the distorted version of the extremists. They think the problem is Islam itself. And they think the values of Islam can just never be compatible with the values of other religions, societies or cultures."
Dismissing these arguments as "plain wrong," he will place the coalition Government at the forefront of an international effort to defeat them.
"Turkey is a secular and democratic state. This is all the more reason to make Turkey feel welcome in Europe," he will say. "I will always argue that the values of real Islam are not incompatible with the values of Europe. That Europe is defined not by religion, but by values. The EU is a secular organisation. And Europe welcomes people of all faiths, or none."
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
Fair point but would this be offset by the costs incurred due to the number of Turks who can then come and live/work here?Or is this the exact type of 'xenophobic' attitude which CMD is talking about?
Edited by 5unny on Tuesday 27th July 15:24
He's taking this to the Germans big time.
Even when I was stationed in germany in the 90's they had a huge immigration problem, mostly with the Turks. The Turks run a lot of organised crime in german cities as well.
Regardless - economically it makes sense, there should be nothing to fear regarding the Islamic side of things and it will put the old guard's nose out of joint - excellent!
Even when I was stationed in germany in the 90's they had a huge immigration problem, mostly with the Turks. The Turks run a lot of organised crime in german cities as well.
Regardless - economically it makes sense, there should be nothing to fear regarding the Islamic side of things and it will put the old guard's nose out of joint - excellent!
Either:
a) The Turks have no chance of gaining membership as the French and Germans will not allow it. CMD is using this to gain a little political capital, while painting the real enemy as prejudiced.
b) He's really got into this celebrating diversity gig and is going to demand that Somalia and Afghanistan be allowed to join chop chop.
a) The Turks have no chance of gaining membership as the French and Germans will not allow it. CMD is using this to gain a little political capital, while painting the real enemy as prejudiced.
b) He's really got into this celebrating diversity gig and is going to demand that Somalia and Afghanistan be allowed to join chop chop.
Ed Fender said:
Either:
a) The Turks have no chance of gaining membership as the French and Germans will not allow it. CMD is using this to gain a little political capital, while painting the real enemy as prejudiced.
Greece and Cyprus might have a few words to say about them joining to.a) The Turks have no chance of gaining membership as the French and Germans will not allow it. CMD is using this to gain a little political capital, while painting the real enemy as prejudiced.
Cameron likes to demonstrate how 'right on' he is. A shame from his point of view that the franchise is not restricted to the fashionable parts of North London.
Turkey can never be admitted to the EU under the current rules due to the free movement of labour requirements, any 'transitional arrangements' could never be long enough.
Turkey can never be admitted to the EU under the current rules due to the free movement of labour requirements, any 'transitional arrangements' could never be long enough.
We need Turkey as a Bulwark against Muslim Fundamentalism, it is infinitely preferably that they look West rather than to the East.
They ae a modern, secular, Democracy, who happen to have a predominatly Muslim (moderate) population.
They have made big compromises already in order to Join the EU, and they are a young population, unlike many EU countries who have an ageing Demographic.
The EU should get on with bring them into the EU group of nations, overdue in my opinion.
They ae a modern, secular, Democracy, who happen to have a predominatly Muslim (moderate) population.
They have made big compromises already in order to Join the EU, and they are a young population, unlike many EU countries who have an ageing Demographic.
The EU should get on with bring them into the EU group of nations, overdue in my opinion.
Lost soul said:
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
How do you work that out ? they would just drain the pot Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
How do you work that out ? they would just drain the pot JagLover said:
Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
How do you work that out ? they would just drain the pot 
Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
How do you work that out ? they would just drain the pot Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
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