Turkey must be welcome in EU, insists Cameron
Discussion
Lost soul said:
Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
How do you work that out ? they would just drain the pot Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
How do you work that out ? they would just drain the pot Timmy35 said:
Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
How do you work that out ? they would just drain the pot Randy Winkman said:
Timmy35 said:
Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
How do you work that out ? they would just drain the pot 
They have no fecking money
It's a smart move by Cameron. Turkey have no chance of joining the EU any time soon, but they are an important NATO ally and have a big and fast growing economy. Being a friend of Turkey is in Britain's interest. Also Israel need a bit of a slap following Mossad's use of a fake British passport, hence Cameron's line that Gaza is a prison camp. Turkey is the major player in the region now, not Israel.
Another good thing is that it will annoy the Germans and French. Britain should somehow be able to gain some political currency by supporting (or withdrawing support for) Turkey.
Another good thing is that it will annoy the Germans and French. Britain should somehow be able to gain some political currency by supporting (or withdrawing support for) Turkey.
Lost soul said:
Randy Winkman said:
Timmy35 said:
Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Asterix said:
Lost soul said:
Timmy35 said:
Good for him. From an economic perspective Turkish membership of the EU makes a great deal of sense.
How do you work that out ? they would just drain the pot They have no fecking money
sjn2004 said:
It would be a disaster with millions of people leaving the country overnight heading for the UK,Germany etc. A few years back I was travelling around Turkey by bus and we got a puncture in the middle of the night. The bus limped along for a few miles until we got to some tyre/petrol station place. It was about 2-3am and a kid about 11 years old came out in overalls and removed the coach wheel, swapped the tyre and we were on our way. No way is Turkey ready to join the EU with freedom of movement etc.
How many years back?What has Turkey got that is useful to the EU?
End of the Trans-Causcaus pipelines and railway links? Good way to get Central Asian oil to the EU as well as other products and trade going the other way.
Large armed forces.
Very close to Iraq and fairly close to Afghanistan.
Control of the Dardanelles which is still important to Russia and other countries with coasts on the Black sea.
A relitively friendly Islamic state.
Its also unsatisfied with not being in the EU while Romania and Bulgaria are?
HOWEVER and I think this is quite an important however so I put it in capitals.
Armenian Genocide issues.
Treatment of Kurds/ creation of a Kurdish state.
Trouble on Cyprus/ relations with the Greeks.
End of the Trans-Causcaus pipelines and railway links? Good way to get Central Asian oil to the EU as well as other products and trade going the other way.
Large armed forces.
Very close to Iraq and fairly close to Afghanistan.
Control of the Dardanelles which is still important to Russia and other countries with coasts on the Black sea.
A relitively friendly Islamic state.
Its also unsatisfied with not being in the EU while Romania and Bulgaria are?
HOWEVER and I think this is quite an important however so I put it in capitals.
Armenian Genocide issues.
Treatment of Kurds/ creation of a Kurdish state.
Trouble on Cyprus/ relations with the Greeks.
SJobson said:
How many years back?
I did a bit of driving around in South West Turkey about nine years ago - an hour inland was totally different from the tourist areas on the coast. Whole families on old tractors without lights at night, the occasional horse-drawn cart, urchins trying to flag you down to buy bags of olives from them in the middle of nowhere, petrol station attendants spitting when they saw you were a tourist (maybe that was just me), that sort of thing.I'd be surprised if it's moved on too radically in the few years since.
The events of the last decade have proven to us that our so-called 'allies' go after what they want and are not worried about shafting us to get that or even to shaft us just for the sake of it.
Why do the Americans concentrate so much time moaning about the release of Al-Megrahi, who may have bombed an aeroplane or may be a patsy, when they are willing to do business with the nation and leaders that supposedly sanctioned the attack?
Let's forget any special relationship bulls
t, there is no room now for sentimentality, let's push for what we want.
Relationships and world dynamics are changing and I hope Cameron and Hague act with integrity in this respect.
Why do the Americans concentrate so much time moaning about the release of Al-Megrahi, who may have bombed an aeroplane or may be a patsy, when they are willing to do business with the nation and leaders that supposedly sanctioned the attack?
Let's forget any special relationship bulls
t, there is no room now for sentimentality, let's push for what we want.Relationships and world dynamics are changing and I hope Cameron and Hague act with integrity in this respect.
Trommel said:
SJobson said:
How many years back?
I did a bit of driving around in South West Turkey about nine years ago - an hour inland was totally different from the tourist areas on the coast. Whole families on old tractors without lights at night, the occasional horse-drawn cart, urchins trying to flag you down to buy bags of olives from them in the middle of nowhere, petrol station attendants spitting when they saw you were a tourist (maybe that was just me), that sort of thing.I'd be surprised if it's moved on too radically in the few years since.
Due to the big income differentials between Turkey and the UK/Fr/De etc just suddenly allowing the borders to drop and free movement would result in chaos. Some lefties may say the Turks(as have the Eastern Europeans)will come to work, but the truth is the majority take low paid work, therefore paying no/little tax, getting top up benefits (so UK plc is actually a net loser) while a UK passport holder loses employment opportunities.
swamp said:
It's a smart move by Cameron. Turkey have no chance of joining the EU any time soon, but they are an important NATO ally and have a big and fast growing economy. Being a friend of Turkey is in Britain's interest. Also Israel need a bit of a slap following Mossad's use of a fake British passport, hence Cameron's line that Gaza is a prison camp. Turkey is the major player in the region now, not Israel.
Another good thing is that it will annoy the Germans and French. Britain should somehow be able to gain some political currency by supporting (or withdrawing support for) Turkey.
And it pleases the Americans (not just Obama mind) who have a hard-on for Turkey joining the EU (rather West than East).Another good thing is that it will annoy the Germans and French. Britain should somehow be able to gain some political currency by supporting (or withdrawing support for) Turkey.
wrt Free Movement, provisions were put into the accession treaties of the new 2004 EU members - most members other than Britain used them to restrict migration. We belatedly did the same for Bulgaria and Romania (no free movement until 2012, with option to extend to 2014). Some of the Eastern European countries may welcome freedom movement with Turkey while the rest of us delay lifting restrictions.
KANEIT said:
The events of the last decade have proven to us that our so-called 'allies' go after what they want and are not worried about shafting us to get that or even to shaft us just for the sake of it.
Why do the Americans concentrate so much time moaning about the release of Al-Megrahi, who may have bombed an aeroplane or may be a patsy, when they are willing to do business with the nation and leaders that supposedly sanctioned the attack?
Let's forget any special relationship bullst, there is no room now for sentimentality, let's push for what we want.
Relationships and world dynamics are changing and I hope Cameron and Hague act with integrity in this respect.
Well said; I actually agree with you. Do what is good for your country. Choose carefully though.Why do the Americans concentrate so much time moaning about the release of Al-Megrahi, who may have bombed an aeroplane or may be a patsy, when they are willing to do business with the nation and leaders that supposedly sanctioned the attack?
Let's forget any special relationship bulls
t, there is no room now for sentimentality, let's push for what we want.Relationships and world dynamics are changing and I hope Cameron and Hague act with integrity in this respect.
I worked on the BTC pipeline between Kars and Ezurum. What a stehole it was and I don't suppose it's changed much since. Do we really want village idiots stting in the streets here, riding horses and carts everywhere and carrying guns? That's apart from the whole benefits issue, it would be the proverbial pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for these backward yokels.
No thanks, CMD.
tehole it was and I don't suppose it's changed much since. Do we really want village idiots stting in the streets here, riding horses and carts everywhere and carrying guns? That's apart from the whole benefits issue, it would be the proverbial pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for these backward yokels.No thanks, CMD.
Camoron knows SFA about Turkey!!!
A trade agreement with them is already in force, but anyone who has had anything to do with Turks knows that the majority are boorish, ignorant and heathen. Here in Germany there is an enormous problem with Turks who for 3 generations refuse in the majority to integrate, as do the majority of indians/Pakistanis in GB. We DO NOT want another large group of itinerant lazy heathen slobs in the EU which we will effectively have to pay for!!! I lived for 10 years in the largest turkish community outside Turkey (West Berlin) and I know what I'm talking about!
The main problem are the ignorant itinerant uneducated Turks from Anatolia (those are the ones who sh*t in the street, drive donkeys and live in mudhuts). The Istanbul Turks seem to have a much more westernised view on things and at least try to integrate.
France has categorically refused to discuss turkish membership of the EU and the majority of germans and dutch don't want it either as they have experienced turkish immigration. But politicians don't decide what hte people want do they?
BTW I have some very good turkish neighbours but these are (and they say it themselves, as they despise the anatolian "Turks") the exception!
A trade agreement with them is already in force, but anyone who has had anything to do with Turks knows that the majority are boorish, ignorant and heathen. Here in Germany there is an enormous problem with Turks who for 3 generations refuse in the majority to integrate, as do the majority of indians/Pakistanis in GB. We DO NOT want another large group of itinerant lazy heathen slobs in the EU which we will effectively have to pay for!!! I lived for 10 years in the largest turkish community outside Turkey (West Berlin) and I know what I'm talking about!
The main problem are the ignorant itinerant uneducated Turks from Anatolia (those are the ones who sh*t in the street, drive donkeys and live in mudhuts). The Istanbul Turks seem to have a much more westernised view on things and at least try to integrate.
France has categorically refused to discuss turkish membership of the EU and the majority of germans and dutch don't want it either as they have experienced turkish immigration. But politicians don't decide what hte people want do they?
BTW I have some very good turkish neighbours but these are (and they say it themselves, as they despise the anatolian "Turks") the exception!
Dave Angel said:
Do we really want village idiots stting in the streets here, riding horses and carts everywhere and carrying guns? That's apart from the whole benefits issue, it would be the proverbial pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for these backward yokels.
No thanks, CMD.
We have that already in many parts of the UK we certainly do not need more tting in the streets here, riding horses and carts everywhere and carrying guns? That's apart from the whole benefits issue, it would be the proverbial pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for these backward yokels.No thanks, CMD.
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